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YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by gilbetron »

xkbarkar wrote: post #594

> Months ago he was insisting that the people who had contracted COVID-19 and who had antibodies in their system may not need the vaccine. Now, we have a number of studies coming out to support that. But months ago that was "anti-vax" (employing the slanderous use of the term). I live in Iceland. Recovery from cov-sars-2 infection is considered as valid as a vaccine here. The same goes for Norway and ( to the best of…

Have you actually compared Iceland with its high vaccination rate and places without? Iceland is kicking ass. We know vaccinations reduce transmission as well as hospitalizations and deaths.

Also, PTSD? What happened to you??

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Post by moistrobot »

foota wrote: post #952
Kretinsky wrote: post #951

I have an honest question to all of the honest people recommanding their relatives to get vaccinated: I've had covid twice, with very mild effects (stay in bed for one day or two). I'm young, no comorbidity, not obese etc. Clearly I won't die of covid, as experimental science goes. I'm the only provider for my family (wife, kid). If I take the vaccine and get crippled, meaning I can't work anymore, will the pro-vacci…

Your risks are much higher from covid than from the vaccine.

This argument doesn't hold if he's already had covid. you don't put your seatbelt on after the car crash

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Post by civilized »

endgame wrote: post #949
civilized wrote: post #917

I saw someone post an antivax video in the comments about the toxicity of the spike protein the mRNA vaccine causes the body to manufacture. If you have such concerns, read this: https://health-desk.org/articles/what-do-we-know-about-the-t... The vaccine is injected into muscle and causes a localized immune reaction. The protein doesn't really escape the muscle. So it might damage some muscle cells and capillaries, b…

Localised, huh? Then why did shot one leave me too tired to work for several days, and shot two give me lethargy and whole-body aches?

That was your immune system overreacting to a harmless foreign substance. Kind of like an allergy, but a desirable one in this case.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by streblo »

xkbarkar wrote: post #594

> Months ago he was insisting that the people who had contracted COVID-19 and who had antibodies in their system may not need the vaccine. Now, we have a number of studies coming out to support that. But months ago that was "anti-vax" (employing the slanderous use of the term). I live in Iceland. Recovery from cov-sars-2 infection is considered as valid as a vaccine here. The same goes for Norway and ( to the best of…

> We have a very high vaccination rate here in Iceland but that did not stop hospitalisations, or deaths

Let's fact check this. Here's Reuters COVID data from Iceland: https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-m...

Iceland has had a grand total of 33 deaths since the beginning of the pandemic. There have been 3 deaths total since May 2021, which is remarkable on it's own, but especially since Iceland's infections during the pandemic peaked in early August 2021. So, no, vaccines didn't totally stop the deaths. But vaccines dramatically reduced them and prevented what likely would have been a spike in deaths in August.

Here's more from the Washington Post, which actually seems to remember that Iceland exists: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/iceland-covid-su...

> Many of the country’s recent infections have occurred among vaccinated people, but they’ve been overwhelmingly mild.

> Iceland’s rates of covid-19 hospitalizations and deaths have remained low. Of the 1,300 people currently infected, just 2 percent are in the hospital.

> The country hasn’t recorded a virus death since late May. [The article was written in early August before those 3 additional deaths].

No comment on whether you're an anti-vaxxer, but you are misinformed.

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Post by n3dm »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #450
mariodiana wrote: post #65

I think we have to ask if this won't have a chilling effect on open discussion by moderate voices. I'm subscribed to the channel of an M.D. on YouTube who discusses COVID-19, vaccines, etc. He is very careful to (repeatedly) point out that he is vaccinated, he has personally vaccinated hundreds of patients, he encourages everyone to speak to their doctor and follow their recommendations, believing that the vaccine is…

I was banned from a Reddit sub for saying that a previous Covid infection probably infers some immunity. This was around 8 months ago. Now EU vaccine passports accept a recovery from infection as being sufficient proof of immunity. On top of that now it's coming out that the Canadian military/government (and likely others) was intentionally deploying propaganda to make the populace more compliant. This is why moderat…

Sounds about right for reddit. It is anti free speech and anti education. If it sounds good but is made up and spreading lies, top of the posts you go.

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Post by account42 »

jackson1442 wrote: post #792
ohdannyboy wrote: post #290

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

> She believed that if the vaccine was actually as great as they're saying they'd be able to make more objective goalposts and win arguments instead of stopping them because the other side is too stupid to make their own decisions. The problem I see here is that the (I hesitate to call it this) anti-vax "side" has been shifting goalposts since day n-1. If you've ever talked to someone who's shifted goalposts you'll s…

If you don't take no for an answer and won't accept anything besides people agreeing to your goals then it is you who is not arguing in good faith. Correct misunderstandings, refute falsehoods, but ultimately you need to let people make their own decisions.

Accusing someone (or worse, groups) of "shifting goalpoasts" is a lame excuse to write of discussion. People can an do have multiple concerns where some of those take a backseat until others are resolved. People can be afraid to state their true concerns, often rightfully so considering how quick they can be grouped with all the other wrongthinkers and summarily condemned and ridiculed. And when it comes to groups - especially such nebolous ones as "the anti-vax side: - the apparent (ie loudest) argument can shift just by the group composition changing.

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Post by jpadkins »

streblo wrote: post #994
xkbarkar wrote: post #594

> Months ago he was insisting that the people who had contracted COVID-19 and who had antibodies in their system may not need the vaccine. Now, we have a number of studies coming out to support that. But months ago that was "anti-vax" (employing the slanderous use of the term). I live in Iceland. Recovery from cov-sars-2 infection is considered as valid as a vaccine here. The same goes for Norway and ( to the best of…

> We have a very high vaccination rate here in Iceland but that did not stop hospitalisations, or deaths Let's fact check this. Here's Reuters COVID data from Iceland: https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-m... Iceland has had a grand total of 33 deaths since the beginning of the pandemic. There have been 3 deaths total since May 2021, which is remarkable on it's own, but especially since Iceland…

> No comment on whether you're an anti-vaxxer, but you are misinformed.

No they are not. Your fact check confirmed their statements. "We have a very high vaccination rate here in Iceland but that did not stop hospitalisations, or deaths. But definetly decreased them. Our high vaccination rate has had 0 effect on the spread of infections though."

I don't understand how can call the OP misinformed when you are stating identical statements. The only difference in your posts is the narrative (spin) surrounding the facts.

> which actually seems to remember that Iceland exists:

OP is from Iceland! Slow down and think about how condescending your post reads.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by lazysheepherd »

ohdannyboy wrote: post #290

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

> She believed that if the vaccine was actually as great as they're saying they'd be able to make more objective goalposts and win arguments instead of stopping them because the other side is too stupid to make their own decisions.

1) People ARE too "stupid". "Stupid" here is a placeholder for a larger discussion on biological, antropological, social and psychological evidence. Which all could be summed up as: We are meant to be just smart enough to survive, then some more. Average human capability for evidence evaluation and independent reasoning is quite low.

2) Effort for winning in an unbounded argument space is practically infinite. Debunking bullshit takes several orders of magnitude more resources than coming up with more bullshit.

There needs to be a point at which you should disqualify an arguing party as not worthy of further evaluation. That's another way for the other party to "win the argument". In this specific case, pro-vaccine people has long won the argument, and by a mile.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by mdp2021 »

long_time_gone wrote: post #302
listless wrote: post #174

My wife is very vaccine hesitant, and every time they make a move like this to block content or take it down, it only strengthens her position. She thinks they’re taking it down because they don’t want people to know the truth. The only thing worse than bad ideas is the suppression of bad ideas. It’s tragic that we knew this at some point, but are going to have to figure it all back out again the hard way.

==She thinks they’re taking it down because they don’t want people to know the truth.== Sounds like she has already made up her mind, in which case I’m not sure it matters if the content is moderated or not. It’s possible she will find whatever reinforces the decision she’s already made. ==The only thing worse than bad ideas is the suppression of bad ideas.== This sounds good, but is it true? The bad idea exists toda…

...News just in: there's an article today on The Conversation about eugenetic practices having been carried on in the USA in the past hundred years, and still ongoing: they involve forced sterilization of a considerable number of people.

So, since the "idea" has actual current practice, you may want it to be in the foreground, not «suppress[ed]».

https://theconversation.com/forced-sterilization-policies-in...

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And again about school, we were taught about the eugenetic effort of mid century in primary school, when we were eight years old: relatively "mature" content, but is it possible (yes, it is) that "if you treat children like children (and adults like children), they will behave like children?".

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