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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by daddylongstroke »

renaudg wrote: post #862
SergeAx wrote: post #856

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No, getting vaccinated is not stops anyone from transmitting disease, it is obvious. Virus gets to breathing system of vaccinated people same as for unvaccinated, and replicates there for 4-6 days. Then they either have a vaccine breakthrough, or vaccine-boosted immune system kicks in and defeats the virus in next 2-3 days. All this time the vaccinated host is as dangerous for others as unvaccinated. I hope you didn'…

> All this time the vaccinated host is as dangerous for others as unvaccinated. This is categorically false, sorry : https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1429449468261322759

You're linking to a non-reviewed pre-print. But OK, from that same study: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9Zxoh5X0AMqYCI?format=jpg&name=...

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by theptip »

ghaff wrote: post #228
theptip wrote: post #126

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I don’t think this is the right take. The actual opinion poll numbers suggest that the “never vax” population has remained fairly constant over time, while the “vax hesitant” population started higher and has gradually decreased. See for example https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/unvaccinated-america-in... There’s a pretty stable “never” population at 14%, and you see that as time goes on the hesitants have been gr…

>Some of these people will at the margin be persuaded by things like full approval. Maybe some. But, while I don't really like governments and big employers wielding sticks in this case, you'll probably see even more people decide that they're not hesitant enough about vaccines to lose their jobs or be excluded from a lot of activities. And while those sort of requirements could be implemented before full approval, a…

Absolutely, it’s all about cost/benefit and incentives. If you look at the share of over-70s that are vaccinated, it’s basically the same extremely high rate regardless of party affiliation. They have skin in the game and so they can’t afford to posture as it very well might cost them their lives to do so.

For 20 year-olds, kind of the opposite currently. Costs very little to use this choice as a political signaling gesture. But if the cost increases, as you say, behaviors will change and people will change their position. Talk is cheap, it’s easy to say “never” when it costs you ~nothing to do so.

But in short, I do strongly agree that mandates will be more persuasive than just approval alone. But I think full approval will still be beneficial in places that won’t make mandates.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by learc83 »

cies wrote: post #961
learc83 wrote: post #408

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There has never been a vaccine that was recalled because of side effects that didn't show up until over a year later.

There was never a major mRNA vaccine roll out ever. mRNA possibly does not compare to traditional vaccines, there's evidence it is a different beast entirely. Enough reason to be cautious, wait out the hidden/late-onset side effect, and not give it to those not too vulnerable to covid. But authorities claim it's totally safe for all ages, while they have no data to back this up (that'd need a long trial, and those ta…

Multiple mRNA vaccines have been tested on humans since 2008 and on animals before that. None of them produced any “late-onset” side effects. And there is no sound theoretical mechanism for late-onset mRNA side effects.

No drug approval process works like what you are proposing.

Hundreds of millions of people have had nearly a year to develop side effects—-the safety profile is very well known at this point.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by ortusdux »

howinteresting wrote: post #874
ortusdux wrote: post #718

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https://web.archive.org/web/20210823033710/https://www.nytim...

That seems to be about making people pay for covid treatment, and unvaccinated people disproportionately requiring treatment.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/delta-air-lines-unvaccinated...

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by apalumbi »

dntrkv wrote: post #748
a_imho wrote: post #450

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Kevin Sorbo's take https://twitter.com/ksorbs/status/1417538663018344448 Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from the virus that they were vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated. I'm really interested a rebuttal to this.

Higher vaccination rate == less spread == less mutations.

The opposite could happen though. "Vaccination" allows for the virus to mutate to a more lethal strain since it does not sterilize the host. See Marek's disease: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek's_disease

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by gambler »

ericcholis wrote: post #224
mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #31

An interesting, short read is the difference between Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) and the full FDA approval[0]. Basically it is manufacturing, funding and red tape being the difference, nothing about safety or clinical trials differs. In software terms, EUA is parallel tracked sprints for clinical trials and manufacturing at same time vs. regular approval is Waterfall where manufacturing occurs after approval. […

One of the anti-vaxx or vaxx hesitant arguments is that Pharma can't be sued for damages under EUA. I'm honestly not sure how true that is precisely.

https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/legal/prepact/Pages/default...

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/03/17/2020-05...

The Secretary must also state that liability protections available under the PREP Act are in effect with respect to the Recommended Activities. These liability protections provide that, “[s]ubject to other provisions of [the PREP Act], a covered person shall be immune from suit and liability under federal and state law with respect to all claims for loss caused by, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from the administration to or use by an individual of a covered countermeasure if a Declaration has been issued with respect to such countermeasure.”

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The PREP Act states that a “Covered Countermeasure” must be a “qualified pandemic or epidemic product,” or a “security countermeasure,” as described immediately below; or a drug, biological product or device authorized for emergency use in accordance with Sections 564, 564A, or 564B of the FD&C Act.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by rglover »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #969
l8rlump wrote: post #960

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Is this what you're talking about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M

It's interesting that this went so viral. I've had two friends independently send it to me and now I see it here. Seems fishy and a lot of the comments under it don't seem genuine. Lots of "I'm sending this to everyone I know" or "the people who need to hear this won't". Bizarre. Seems to be sponsored by academyofideas.com. Good luck finding who actually runs that site.

Neither of those examples are bizarre. The latter is correct.

The three original videos he produced on the topic are a better example than the cartoonified version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdzW-S8MwbI&ab_channel=Acade...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFie-UCFV_s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojPcF-oLABE

I've listened to/followed the guy who runs that site for years now. He makes every video himself. I also pay for his members-only subscription.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by kottaram »

renaudg wrote: post #973
kottaram wrote: post #959

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Thats your personal experience. Most of my friends who got covid without the vaccines never had any major issue you had. They took rest for a week and problem solved. One of my other friends, who was vaccinated, got covid and had to be hospitalised because he couldn't breath. Luckily he survived. A coworker, who was vaccinated, still hasn't got his taste back after getting covid around a month ago. Vaccine or not, yo…

You seem happy to be countering his personal experience with your own personal experience, and jump to the conclusion that there's no difference (wrong) and the vaccine does nothing (wrong) so why bother risking long term consequences (there's zero reason to think there's any from vaccines, while there are reasons to think there are many from Covid) If only there was a way to objectively assess these things... Oh wai…

>You seem happy to be countering his personal experience with your own personal experience, and jump to the conclusion that there's no difference

Right

>the vaccine does nothing

Right

>there's zero reason to think there's any(side effects) from vaccines

Wrong

>More unvaccinated people are getting covid but they are dying less.

Right

>Being vaccinated makes you 20-30 years younger in terms of your risk to die from Covid (source : https://www.ft.com/content/0f11b219-0f1b-420e-8188-6651d1e74...)

Wrong(Lol medical advice from a Financial blog)

> Thanks for the brilliant demonstration.

Your welcome :*

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by vimacs2 »

daddylongstroke wrote: post #989
renaudg wrote: post #982

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Anyone tempted to reply to this troll, here's the kind of other stuff he writes : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28082379

Just speaking my lived experience homie. Most of my family and friends are RNs, many of which, have various chronic issues due to work-related mandatory yearly vaccinations. Their cases are facts backed by practicing virologists.

Some of your linked comment was valid but your "negative natural selection" take was just nonsense. Superbugs have nothing at all to do with vaccinations. It's the result of overly zealous use of antibiotics that gets cut before the point of complete pathogen destruction.

There are also sufficient rates of infection of even healthy subjects to warrant concern considering that Covid cases are far more serious than most Flu cases - another illness that affects the healthy far less but can still lead to hospitalisation or even death. Also, before you mention it, the fact that there are more deaths caused by the Flu than Covid statistically per year is due to the greater proliferation of the Flu virus and it's variants over Covid.

On an individual basis, you are far more likely to develop complications from Covid than Flu, even for healthy subjects.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by daddylongstroke »

vimacs2 wrote: post #999
daddylongstroke wrote: post #989

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just speaking my lived experience homie. Most of my family and friends are RNs, many of which, have various chronic issues due to work-related mandatory yearly vaccinations. Their cases are facts backed by practicing virologists.

Some of your linked comment was valid but your "negative natural selection" take was just nonsense. Superbugs have nothing at all to do with vaccinations. It's the result of overly zealous use of antibiotics that gets cut before the point of complete pathogen destruction. There are also sufficient rates of infection of even healthy subjects to warrant concern considering that Covid cases are far more serious than mos…

> ..."negative natural selection" take was just nonsense

You're misquoting me. What I said was "negative selection". My belief is, we need to let the immune systems of humans do what they're designed to do, and stop artificially selecting all humans to live for as long as possible, without regard for the quality of that life. Effectively, we need to live, die, and decay in a much more natural way, just like the plants and animals under my care do. Nothing healthy or positive, from a long-term genetic-health perspective, has ever come from me rescuing a feeble lamb, and bottle feeding it, medicating it, throughout most of its life. In fact, only the opposite happens. But I understand, most humans tend to only value today instead of 30-40 years down the road.

>Superbugs have nothing at all to do with vaccinations. You're getting tunnel vision'ed. Superbugs have been created by chemicals being sprayed onto fields, for no longer than 30-40 years. Superbugs have been created or emboldened by broad spectrum sanitization.

>On an individual basis, you are far more likely to develop complications from Covid than Flu, even for healthy subjects.

Maybe; though this seems largely a function of time at this point seeing how its been such a short time since Covid's been around. However, the likelihood of "complications" due to Covid is slim to none, on an individual basis, especially for healthy folks (according to the CDC.gov data, assuming our census numbers are correct'ish).

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