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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by nikau »

nickik wrote: post #990
nikau wrote: post #989

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Yes I'm sure ford will struggle as they only make 4+ million plus vehicles a year, nowhere near teslas bumper crop of 180k a quarter...

Oh this old bad argument warmed up again. Remember when 5 years ago people claimed that as soon car companies make electric cars they would outsell Tesla? Well the fact is that Tesla sells more EV by far then even VW by a large amount. Scaling BEV production is hard, and just because for produces lots of ICE cars does not mean they can magically produce lots of EVs. Do yourself a favor and actually learn about BEV pr…

> Remember when 5 years ago people claimed that as soon car companies make electric cars they would outsell Tesla?

Remember 5 years ago when Telsa fans claimed BEV range and acceleration wasn't possible for legacy automakers?

Ford sell more F series vehicles per year than all tesla models combined - why are you assuming they need to pivot asap to EV only?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by importantbrian »

gilbetron wrote: post #262
kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

That's what I was most excited about, and agree it is a game changer. Hopefully we can get small e-pickups at some point - I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore.

This is one of my biggest complaints about trucks these days. I have a newer Tacoma and it is the same size as my dad's 2008 Tundra.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by cardiffspaceman »

dboreham wrote: post #319
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Around here, Home Depot rents out little trucks that could probably take a freezer. They are flat-bed, not pick-up. They charge by the hour.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

kingsuper20 wrote: post #466
bryanlarsen wrote: post #278

I get to eat my hat somewhat. I hope it's tasty. Just a few days ago I made the comment that the Cybertruck's killer feature is it's $40K price tag, if and only if that price tag actually happens. I said that Ford could not make a decent EV F-150 at that price point unless they throw their dealerships under the bus. And here we are with a $40K EV F-150. I'm glad I added the caveats though -- the $40K F150 is for comm…

I expect that a real advantage to an EV F150 over any Tesla truck (or car) will be repair costs, most particularly collision repairs. Of course, they'll always cost more than the estimates, plus you get to throw in sales tax and the annual registration tithe to the state. I'm always surprised that people are willing to spend so much on new vehicles but I guess it keeps the money moving through the economy. The spice…

Those same people sell their previous vehicle in decent shape for a lot less money, and you and I can then buy it.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by fillskills »

jrsj wrote: post #963
fillskills wrote: post #591

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On my drives, I usually count how many pickup trucks are carrying something/anything. I have one this is Austin, Kansas City, Seattle, Los Angeles. My assumption when I started was that this data would differ by location and about 40% trucks would be carrying something. In reality the average is 2 out of 100 trucks carried anything in my counting. The highest I have seen in Los Angeles with 6 trucks carrying somethin…

It may depend on when you are driving as well. I saw several trucks carrying things just yesterday on the way to get my 2nd COVID shot. Anecdotally 2% seems very low to me (around central Ohio). It does seem that in the middle of day or on weekend afternoons I notice it more though.

Time and location could certainly be important to the count. Ill try afternoons and different parts of time next.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by auiya »

Kerrick wrote: post #973
auiya wrote: post #742

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Practical?! Have you ever tried loading heavy objects into a truck bed that's 4.5 feet off the ground? There's literally no utilitarian use for them at this point even in agricultural settings, much less the urban and suburban landscapes where they typically plague. What ever happened to the small truck? Much easier to load, much less of a road hazard/nuisance. For me it's the increasingly large size of all trucks wh…

> There's literally no utilitarian use for them at this point even in agricultural settings That... What?! At the local MFA, when buying feed or fertilizer, you back your vehicle up to the warehouse-style loading dock, where the raised floor of the storage facility is about the height of the average truck bed off the road height. When I buy things in my sedan and load them into the trunk, I either have to drop them o…

When you have to have specialized machinery to load/unload a vehicle, that makes it wholly impractical for personal use. This is what purpose-built moving equipment is for, not personal mobility vehicles.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by auiya »

jrsj wrote: post #889
auiya wrote: post #742

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Practical?! Have you ever tried loading heavy objects into a truck bed that's 4.5 feet off the ground? There's literally no utilitarian use for them at this point even in agricultural settings, much less the urban and suburban landscapes where they typically plague. What ever happened to the small truck? Much easier to load, much less of a road hazard/nuisance. For me it's the increasingly large size of all trucks wh…

Yes but I’m 6’3” so it’s not particularly difficult for me. And mine is from 2012 & I don’t think it’s quite that high off the ground. I see trucks that are lifted significantly far less often than I see midsize trucks (& obviously full size that are similar to the height of my own) That being said they are generally unnecessarily large now & at this point midsize trucks are more than capable enough for most people.…

I don't know your age, but the fact that they're putting grab bars and foldable stair steps to get into a truck bed should tell you all you need to know about their practicality and incurrence of unnecessary back strain.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ubermonkey »

rootusrootus wrote: post #786
ubermonkey wrote: post #192

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There's no real danger of FORD, of all companies, doing something usable or well-designed here.

Well, they one-upped Tesla on their touchscreen design, so I wouldn't count them out just yet.

I still think massive touchscreens in cars are a horrible idea, so Ford doing better than Tesla at something I hate and wish would go away is not super convincing. :)

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Breza »

mywittyname wrote: post #207
_coveredInBees wrote: post #175

I gotta say, I am very impressed by what I've seen with the F-150. It's clear that a LOT of thought has gone into this product and Ford clearly understands their target audience extremely well. There are so many nice features that are so well tailored to folks who buy trucks. All the features to power job sites, etc is really sweet and I can totally see that being super handy. Heck, it would make it super easy to wor…

The only gotcha with this, is that F150s are huge. I have an oversized garage and an F150 will barely fit. Many of my full-size truck driving neighbors opt to park in the driveway because they turn a modern two car garage into a 1.5 car garage unless designed specifically for giant vehicles. I haven't seen consumer chargers that are designed to be installed outside. Most people have wall chargers in their garages, bu…

I live in Washington DC. My neighbors with electric cars just plug them in even though we lack garages.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Breza »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #994
kingsuper20 wrote: post #466

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I expect that a real advantage to an EV F150 over any Tesla truck (or car) will be repair costs, most particularly collision repairs. Of course, they'll always cost more than the estimates, plus you get to throw in sales tax and the annual registration tithe to the state. I'm always surprised that people are willing to spend so much on new vehicles but I guess it keeps the money moving through the economy. The spice…

Those same people sell their previous vehicle in decent shape for a lot less money, and you and I can then buy it.

That's generally my attitude too. Once someone complained that the car I wanted had low resale value. I reminded him that I was buying used so that wasn't a bad thing.
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