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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by sova »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #940
singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

Google is lifting a ban on political ads tomorrow, about a month ahead of a Jan 5th runoff election in Georgia that will determine which party controls the Senate. Perhaps the message here from subsidiary YouTube is that potentially viral videos that could damage voter confidence in past elections (and thereby affect their responsiveness to political ads for future ones) will not be tolerated while parent Google is t…

Incisive and based in clear economic motivation -- that sounds more like the big G these days. George Washington himself warned against the meddling of foreign powers in our democracy, but if we cannot entertain discussion on such things it's unlikely we'll be able to detect it.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by BartekG »

Freedom of speech is not a right to other people's property: you have no right to force any one to publish what you want but you have the right to start your own newspaper,tv station or a web site and publish whatever you want. YouTube is private. It's owners have the right to decide what is on it and they did. This is not a violation of free speech as some comments suggest.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by mensetmanusman »

This is now the first thing the conspiracy folks I know mention.

In their mind, this action by YouTube has verified the validity of their claims.

If this event makes it easier to spread misinformation, then YouTube’s actions were counterproductive.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by thomastjeffery »

If you scroll through the comments here, you will undoubtedly come across some that simply say, "[flagged]".

You probably won't see many claims that Hacker News is censoring anything. That's because what is happening is not "censorship", but "moderation".

That is also the case with YouTube removing content. It is not "censorship", but "moderation".

It doesn't feel like moderation though, does it?

YouTube is not like a forum where a short public list of users make the decision to remove a comment. We're talking about a private list of employees removing videos, probably even indirectly via algorithms; and very few alternative places to post videos.

Those who are worried about YouTube "censoring" political discourse should already be worried about YouTube "moderating" discourse in general. What we really need are alternative platforms, each with different moderation goals.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by dukeofdoom »

Texas Lawsuit

In the Supreme Court of the United States STATE OF TEXAS, Plaintiff, v. COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA, STATE OF STATE OF GEORGIA, STATE OF MICHIGAN, AND STATE OF WISCONSIN

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163493/2020...

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by adamsea »

I think that anyone who doesn't believe that the election was legitimate - i.e. that no meaningful fraud occurred - should be banned from the HN community.

Their "arguments" are full of shit and are a bunch of pseudo-philosophical, pseudo-analytical, pseudo-objective cant.

Their "evidence" is literally disinformation / propaganda.

They act exactly like those crypto-racists who knows that their true belief would be deemed unpalatable or unacceptable by the community so they'll blow as much smoke around as possible without ever stepping out to say what they're actually driving towards.

Enough is enough. It's clearly dangerous to allow these views the shroud of legitimacy by giving them space in the public square. Otherwise HN is just enabling them.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by Fjolsvith »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #898
shadowgovt wrote: post #895

YouTube's justification here is actually kind of fascinating. They note that since there is no longer a legal path to modifying the results of the election, they're taking the outcome of the US legal structure as a factual indicator of the status of the election results and justifying the takedowns on the basis that they lie about the historical outcome of the election. In essence, they are saying that the federal go…

> They note that since there is no longer a legal path to modifying the results of the election Isn’t there a Supreme Court case that Texas filed and 18 states added on with amici curiae? It won’t be heard, and it wouldn’t be positively ruled, but it “is” a possibly isn’t it? Also, isn’t it possible if there was fraud that it was discovered later? Shouldn’t that be “allowed”? (I’m not in any way facetiously asking, I…

> Also, isn’t it possible if there was fraud that it was discovered later? Shouldn’t that be “allowed”?

No, a finding of fraud isn't allowed because all the results of the election have been certified as not fraudulent by authorities beyond question.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by tonfreed »

endymi0n wrote: post #630
singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

"False balance, also bothsidesism, is a media bias in which journalists present an issue as being more balanced between opposing viewpoints than the evidence supports. Journalists may present evidence and arguments out of proportion to the actual evidence for each side, or may omit information that would establish one side's claims as baseless. False balance has been cited as a major cause of spreading misinformation…

People say this like they think they're correct. If it turned out they were wrong, you can bet they'd be the first to demand the censure of anything that went against their careful constructed narrative
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