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Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by takeda » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 12:14 AM UTC

russellendicott wrote: post #990

takeda wrote: post #981

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The problem here that this "bombshell" article did not provide enough information to do any kind of verification. The main evidence is a PDF file of a print of an e-mail (without even providing a header information). - we don't know if it's Hunter's laptop as claimed (kind of odd that somebody bothers with laptop repair (let's be honest, a lot people here probably buy a new one) and then leaves it there? - we don't k…

I agree with all of your points but why is it Twitter or Facebook's responsibility to check all of those things for every article posted to their platform? Why is the onus not on you as the reader to do your own fact checking?

Because the timing of this piece (if you look at the PDF was created a year ago, but published just in middle of October). It is clear that it is timed to affect election results.

They are not responsible, to check all things. But it's mostly ethics and self preservation. I don't think anyone will deny that they actually have real impact now (even greater than MSM now) and I believe if Democrats win, there will be some laws passed adding some checks. I also believe trump with executive order about section 230 also probably contributed.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by hyperdunc » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 8:26 AM UTC

whatever1 wrote: post #646

hyperdunc wrote: post #617

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Replace the word 'tyrant' with the name of almost any major political player and it remains relevant. The corruption runs far beyond any individual.

I don’t think that any other US political player comes even close to the dangerous rhetoric of Trump. Democrat, Republican, or independent. The attack on the election itself that he started should be the biggest red flag for the citizens that none of his rants are normal.

'Normal' is a state of duplicity where politicians present a veneer of respectability but actually betray their constituents by pursuing their own financial agendas behind the scenes. Trump at least somewhere wears his heart on his sleeve.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 10:23 PM UTC

sj3k wrote: post #382

beervirus wrote: post #96

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Have you ever read an article in the mainstream press that spent space publishing metadata?

Journalists know about metadata. You can be sure that editors of more reputable institutions absolutely require it before publishing anything. Source I went to journalism school and worked in PR for years before I became a software developer.

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Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by blisseyGo » Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 1:42 AM UTC

pvg wrote: post #667

blisseyGo wrote: post #649

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Yahoo was the one who published the Steele dossier misinformation 4 years ago. Why are they better?

That was published, post-election, by Buzzfeed News.

It goes much before that. Isikoff met Steele on Sept 22, 2016, and published a story about Carter Page the next day. He didn’t verify a thing. All he did was get an anon government official to say FBI had the dossier. And that kind of journalism happens all the time and never gets called out. The double standards are amazing.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by blisseyGo » Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 1:53 AM UTC

untog wrote: post #911

blisseyGo wrote: post #670

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EDIT: dang, I understand my political views don't align with vast majority of HN but me replying to correct false info keeps giving me this error on HN: "You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks." I think HN keeps turning into an echo chamber and any opposing view point on a specific political topic gets censored/throttled here too. How can you expect me to have a proper discussion when I am not even allowed…

(you're not being censored for your political views, it's because you're posting too many times in one thread. I get the same alert sometimes) Again, my point isn't that there are no Democratic Facebook execs, it's that they play both sides. To whit: > Indeed, the three top leaders of Facebook's DC office all have extensive backgrounds in Republican politics: Vice President for Global Public Policy Joel Kaplan; Vice…

Are there any examples when big tech has "made a mistake" or "banned" someone on the lefty leaning side by mistake? I have countless examples of right leaning views get banned and censored "by mistake". When mistakes always happen to one side, the right loses faith in the system.

Simply pointing out a couple executives being republican doesn't have anything of value. This isn't about democrat vs republican. This is about democrats + RINOs vs Trump supporters. Having people like Mitt Romney or John McCain type republicans is of no value. Vast majority of Trump supporters dislike them.

I will give a couple examples - the Biden campaign keeps tweeting the same lie again and again about Trump not condemning white nationalists at the Charlottesville incident. This is an easily verifiable lie. Yet twitter nor Facebook ever marks this as "debunked".

Another example - In October 2016 and October 2020, NYTimes put out articles claiming to have the tax data for Trump. They didn't disclose any sources, nor was it verified. And if the data they had was correct, they obtained it illegally. Yet Twitter nor Facebook banned this on their platform.

Another example - last week, media ran stories with secretly recorded audio of Melania Trump. This wasn't banned either.

Here's an example from a few hour ago where FB deleted a post and restricted monetization by BabylonBee (satire) for "violating our Community Standards.":

https://mobile.twitter.com/The_Kyle_Mann/status/131749666800...

Yet these platforms are now claiming the NYPost story cannot be allowed because it's "hacked" data. It's not hacked data plus even if it was, they don't apply the same standard to news which might hurt Trump.

As for not being able to comment on the same thread, if that's the case, then this is a very poor UX. Not being able to interact at all (I wasn't able to for at least a day) on a topic you are passionate about makes the site pointless.

EDIT:

It's strange how someone seems to be monitoring this 3 day old post on HN and flagging and downvoting my comments instantly.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by pvg » Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 4:11 AM UTC

blisseyGo wrote: post #994

pvg wrote: post #667

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was published, post-election, by Buzzfeed News.

It goes much before that. Isikoff met Steele on Sept 22, 2016, and published a story about Carter Page the next day. He didn’t verify a thing. All he did was get an anon government official to say FBI had the dossier. And that kind of journalism happens all the time and never gets called out. The double standards are amazing.

Carter Page really ought to have sued Yahoo and that Isikoff fellow over how they misrepresented him!

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by smokebutnofire » Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 2:56 PM UTC

rat87 wrote: post #583

smokebutnofire wrote: post #219

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A few things take make these emails a bit more credible: 1. "And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t. So they said they had — they were walking out to a press conference. I said, na…

Biden simply gave them the message from the Obama administration and the EU They wanted the prosecutor fired because he was ridiculously corrupt and protecting/ not prosecuting corrupt companies including Burisima (I repeat he dropped the investigation into Burisima). All of this is old news and was reported on during the impeachment trial

Biden asked for a prosecutor to be fired because he wasn't investigating the company his crackhead son received large payouts from enough huh? That's George Washington chopping down the cherry tree level of honesty and equally rooted in reality.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by rat87 » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 10:03 AM UTC

smokebutnofire wrote: post #997

rat87 wrote: post #583

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Biden simply gave them the message from the Obama administration and the EU They wanted the prosecutor fired because he was ridiculously corrupt and protecting/ not prosecuting corrupt companies including Burisima (I repeat he dropped the investigation into Burisima). All of this is old news and was reported on during the impeachment trial

Biden asked for a prosecutor to be fired because he wasn't investigating the company his crackhead son received large payouts from enough huh? That's George Washington chopping down the cherry tree level of honesty and equally rooted in reality.

> Biden asked for a prosecutor to be fired because he wasn't investigating the company his crackhead son received large payouts from enough huh?

Yes. But it was not only that company. The corrupt prosecutor refused to investigate many corrupt companies and politicians.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what...

> "Shokin played the role of protecting the vested interest in the Ukrainian system," said Carpenter, who traveled with Biden to Ukraine in 2015. "He never went after any corrupt individuals at all, never prosecuted any high-profile cases of corruption."

>That demonstrated that Poroshenko's administration was not sincere about tackling corruption and building strong, independent law enforcement agencies, said Heather Conley, director of the Europe program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington-based foreign policy think tank.

> In July 2015, Shokin's office became mired in scandal after authorities raided homes belonging to two high-ranking prosecutors. Police seized millions of dollars worth of diamonds and cash, suggesting the pair had been taking bribes.

> It became known as the "diamond prosecutors" case. Deputy General Prosecutor Vitaliy Kasko, who said he tried to investigate it, resigned months later, calling the prosecutor's office a "hotbed of corruption" and an "instrument of political pressure."

> Shokin's office also stepped in to help Zlochevsky, the head of Burisma.

> British authorities had frozen $23 million in a money-laundering probe, but Shokin's office failed to send documents British authorities needed to prosecute Zlochevsky. The case eventually unraveled and the assets were unfrozen.

In October 2015, Ukrainians staged a protest outside Poroshenko's home calling for Shokin's removal.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what...

Biden's son hunter didn't play a role in it. Oh I'm sure that the company hired Biden's son in hopes of getting influence and that sort of soft corruption sucks, even if it isn't illegal (I wouldn't be opposed to trying to make it illegal even though I imagine it would be pretty difficult), but there is 0 evidence that this had any effect on Joe Biden or US policy, especially since this guy was protecting Burisima.

And it wasn't just Biden but Obama and most of the foreign policy guys in the US and EU that wanted Shokin dismissed because of his corruption, Biden was just the guy who got to deliver the message.

Later Trump and his allies were happy to buy into whatever lies the corrupt prosecutor Shokin was willing to make up abut Biden. Did they know it wasn't true? I don't know but I imagine they didn't care

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-b...

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by rat87 » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 10:05 AM UTC

_qulr wrote: post #671

rat87 wrote: post #615

Good for Twitter and good for Facebook for once not bowing down to conservative demands to allow them to spread untrue propaganda and conspiracies ( https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/6/21357663/facebook-removed-... ) I'm very surprised so many people have a problem with this. I'm even more surprised people are demanding that forums and social media be stripped of the ability to moderate porn, spam, and vile personal at…

> I'm even more surprised people are demanding that forums and social media be stripped of the ability to moderate porn, spam, and vile personal attacks (ie not be able to moderate anything not illegal). Oh plus conspiracies and racism. This would likely turn most forums including HN into trash Have you... seen Twitter? It's full of porn, spam, vile personal attacks, conspiracies, and racism. These things are mostly…

>Have you... seen Twitter? It's full of porn, spam, vile personal attacks, conspiracies, and racism. These things are mostly not moderated on Twitter.

So good thing they're trying for a change?

That doesn't mean I agree with their moderation as a whole but they seem to have tried to do the right thing here

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by eric_cc » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 4:06 PM UTC

frob wrote: post #66

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #32

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It's different because it was written by a major American newspaper. Twitter should not be exercising editorial control over the news.

The New York Post is not a serious newspaper; it is a sensationalist tabloid. Sometimes the NYPost will report on real news, but I believe absolutely nothing they report until it is verified by the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, or other major broadcast outlet with actual journalistic standards.

Oh man you are seriously foolish. NYT, WaPo, LA Times are all far left propaganda machines.