I can't tell who needs who more in this symbiotic relationship.
And here I was thinking the same thing about Facebook and Republicans.
Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”
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It shows the actual words, which are hard to spin. If we keep what was done vague, we can spin it any way we please.
That's interesting. I interpreted it the exact opposite way. That looking at the words - they don't seem so bad, so the liberal-minded HN users downvoted to keep the details away. Funny how personal bias can twist perceptions.
I think you and I are thinking the same thing: if the source is available, then the reader can form their own opinion.
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#993Earlier quoted context omitted.
Useful to know that this specific selective application of editorial bias by Twitter, was after Trump's executive order [1] on preventing online censorship of free speech. >"... Twitter now selectively decides to place a warning label on certain tweets in a manner that clearly reflects political bias. As has been reported, Twitter seems never to have placed such a label on another politician’s tweet. .." When a car m…
How is this "political bias"? Is everything that disagrees with Trump now "political bias"? I'm not even from the US and I know what "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" means and what outcome it envisions. > When twitter manufactures opinions and hides them as 'public forum discourse' -- we are supposed to be ok with that? What are these opinions? Can you speak them out loud? Which opinions are being hidde…
WRT "... Is everything that disagrees with Trump now "political bias"?.."
I think much of the media (bbc, reuters, vox, cnbc, msnbc, abc, cnn, buzzfeed, huffingtonpost, twitter's leadership) basically are the propaganda arm of the anti-Trump Coup.
The use a multi-level approach to execute and to protect it:
- to keep legitimacy of their disinformation efforts, keep 10-15% of the reporting as 'neutral', and then flood the 90% of the time with anti-president message.
This tactic allows for what I call: Plausible Deniability.
When you confront these propagandists about the majority of their disinformation compaign, they point to the '10%' and then claim plausible deniability ('eg we do not do everything wrong)
- Use War propaganda tactics [2]. With emphasis on 4 (We are defending a noble cause, not our particular interests!) and 5 (The enemy is purposefully committing atrocities; if we are making mistakes this happens without intention)
- instigate unrest (and there are a number of tactics to do this, as we are seeing being unrolled)
When you use the above decomposition, it is, at least for me, easy to see what is going on and why.
With regards to:
>".. Could you write down these opinions as if they were your own, without violating HN's house rules?.."
Sure. So let me re-iterate the context
Trump's tweet: >"... ....These THUGS are dishonering the memory of George Floyd, and I won't let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any Difficult and we will assume control, but when looting starts, the the shooting starts.
Thank you. ..."
The twitter suggests that the above is glorifying violence.
I think that an opinion, it is a wrong opinion. And leads to more violence.
I would interpret Trump's message as:
- Laws will be enforced. Help to local police is on the way (in the form of National Guard that Tim Woltz mobilized [1]).
- Physical harm to Innocent people and their property will lead to shootings.
I would interpret Twitter's handling of this as: we do not want law enforcement to enforce laws. Loot all you want, it is your right under the circumstances.
[1] https://www.newsmax.com/politics/tim-walz-george-floyd-riots...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Basic_Principles_of_War_Pr...
Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”
#994Twitter policy: "We start from a position of assuming that people do not intend to violate our Rules. Unless a violation is so egregious that we must immediately suspend an account, we first try to educate people about our Rules and give them a chance to correct their behavior. We show the violator the offending Tweet(s), explain which Rule was broken, and require them to remove the content before they can Tweet agai…
very naive to think that was a counter flagging POTUS tweet.
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#995“ ....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!”
Which part of that tweet glorifies violence?
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#996Earlier quoted context omitted.
> essentially calling for violence Ironic that a microblogging service leads to lack of nuance. who would of thought? My first read of trump's tweet was explaining the national guard has to move in because 'looting leads to shooting'. As in, we have to restore order to avoid more people getting shot. At the time Trump tweeted this, there was already one death from a pawn store owner shooting a looter. So depending on…
Don't be so disingenuous. The phrase is famous and it obviously is obviously not intent on trying to quell violence. I know to be contrarian and radically 'rational' is popular among tech types but it doesn't mean you have to bury your head in the sand when what is being said is so clear.
yes the phrase is famous, but the tweet was not clear at all. Trump was talking about bringing in the national guard, and who is doing the shooting is totally up to interpretation. You can reasonably read that tweet as "we need to establish order before the shooting starts" That does not imply the national guard will be doing the shooting.
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#998Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is this "political bias"? Is everything that disagrees with Trump now "political bias"? I'm not even from the US and I know what "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" means and what outcome it envisions. > When twitter manufactures opinions and hides them as 'public forum discourse' -- we are supposed to be ok with that? What are these opinions? Can you speak them out loud? Which opinions are being hidde…
WRT "... Is everything that disagrees with Trump now "political bias"?.." I think much of the media (bbc, reuters, vox, cnbc, msnbc, abc, cnn, buzzfeed, huffingtonpost, twitter's leadership) basically are the propaganda arm of the anti-Trump Coup. The use a multi-level approach to execute and to protect it: - to keep legitimacy of their disinformation efforts, keep 10-15% of the reporting as 'neutral', and then flood…
@dang do you think the above comment and opinions I shared should have -1 and -4 downvotes.
Is that in line with your expectations, given the topic and the manner in which my comments were written?