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Re: Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever

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Post by tlbsofware »

beefalo wrote: post #348
tlbsofware wrote: post #242

Why is everyone here so dogmatic about this? Work from home is a choice here and just because you really like your choice and think it’s the best choice that’s ever been chosen, does not mean it’s the best for everyone else and that you should aggressively impose your choice onto others. This is how holy wars happen

Our company did a recent survey that asked if people wanted to be able to wfh permanently. I'm really interested in seeing how small the loud minority of "everyone should wfh" crowd is

They should do a survey after several months from the first survey to see how people’s views may change after they own personally experience it. Would be interesting to see what people’s personal takes are on it compared to their assumptions.

Re: Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever

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Post by beefalo »

tlbsofware wrote: post #991
beefalo wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our company did a recent survey that asked if people wanted to be able to wfh permanently. I'm really interested in seeing how small the loud minority of "everyone should wfh" crowd is

They should do a survey after several months from the first survey to see how people’s views may change after they own personally experience it. Would be interesting to see what people’s personal takes are on it compared to their assumptions.

We have been WFH for over 2 months so I think it should be somewhat representative. Although "WFH during a pandemic" is never going to be a truly representative time for this survey.

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Post by detaro »

MattGaiser wrote: post #103
seemslegit wrote: post #80

A blurred distinction between the home and the workplace could also have legal implications for side projects, 'everything you make during employment period belongs to us' clauses can sometimes be punched through or voided but it's harder to do if you can't show a clear work time and resources vs. personal time and resources boundary.

Or equipment. Am I now liable for preventing my home network from being hacked?

Some companies make "home office access points" for that use case: a WLAN access point that the employee has at home, which provides a WLAN just for the work devices, tunnels everything back to the company VPN and can be remotely managed.

Re: Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever

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Post by roosterdawn »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #643
roosterdawn wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when the same talent can live outside of the bay area and can do with 1/3rd of the salary What makes you think this is true and not just a post-hoc rationalization? Let me put it this way: offer that salary worldwide and you will still have difficulty finding top-tier talent, as many remote-first companies are finding out the hard way. Having been a hiring manager in such a position before, I will tell you that you…

If this were true, remote positions would pay just as well as the highest paid places in the US, but they generally don’t, because they don’t have to. It’s only difficult to hire developers anywhere because you don’t want to pay what it would cost to get a yes.

Remote positions are not monolithic. Some are highly selective and highly compensated. Others are the opposite. If you're looking at a random cross section of the global remote opportunity pool, you're likely going to see reversion to mean that reflects that.

Re: Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever

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Post by roosterdawn »

alkibiades wrote: post #608
roosterdawn wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when the same talent can live outside of the bay area and can do with 1/3rd of the salary What makes you think this is true and not just a post-hoc rationalization? Let me put it this way: offer that salary worldwide and you will still have difficulty finding top-tier talent, as many remote-first companies are finding out the hard way. Having been a hiring manager in such a position before, I will tell you that you…

then how come the same engineer at google transferring to a europe or india office gets 1/5th the pay? they are just as skilled. it’s the same person

Upvoted because you ask a great question. I'm just speculating here, but here are a couple points for further questioning:

1) How many people transfer to rather than from the Europe or India office? I'd wager that it's mostly in one direction, which is towards the higher wages.

2) Are RSU grants are adjusted downwards after the transfer? I believe the answer is no. Which means that the total package is not decreasing significantly until cliff.

3) What's the pre-existing financial situation for folks that move towards a lower CoL area? If you've already made a significant enough amount of earnings in the US that you could survive off of them in your destination, the base salary is going to matter a lot less.

4) Is there lateral incentivization in terms of trajectory? If you get to start a new office in a different country (or head a new team or something along those lines), the clout you develop long term may be enough to balance out the temporary salary loss, as when you return back to your origin country, you could have leveled up substantially and retain your level. You're effectively engaging in arbitrage here.

Suffice to say, I don't have a great answer, but I will note that this is a pretty specific exception, enough to make me repeat that platitude that "it's the exception that proves the rule."

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Post by JSavageOne »

wilsonsilva80 wrote: post #954
JSavageOne wrote: post #945

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My counterpoint: From day #1 I always hated office jobs. I hated that management cared so much what time we showed up at the office (they'd all pretend to not care, but then use it against you). I hated being locked there until 5:30pm or whatever was the "appropriate" time to leave even if I'd finished my work by 3pm and no longer had the mental energy to be productive (I remember one time during my first job getting…

I thought only companies trying to get cheaper software engineers would allow 100% remote. How the f * are you making ~$200k/year?!

It's cheaper for the company than hiring locally in SF/NYC. But to be fair I'm a contractor.

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Post by gabagoo »

jjjensen90 wrote: post #781

I always thought I enjoyed remote work as an engineer/architect, I did it for 6 months by my own volition before coming back. I am extremely unhappy. I really miss being in the office with my coworkers and friends. I've struggled deeply with overwhelming sadness at the idea of not going back anytime soon. My work has suffered from a lack of dynamic interactions. I get lots of focus time, just like I did at the office…

Push past the initial hurdle, after 2-3 years when you completely break with reality you will dematerialize into a ball of light and become a God.

Re: Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever

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Post by peter51 »

How does everyone feel about moving to Sacramento and upgrading your living spaces if you were able to commute to work on a flight to the Silicon Valley in less than 30 minutes if and when you have to be physically present at the office?

If so, give us a little information about your commute needs via the form below and at what price point this flight would need to be at for you to justify the move.

We will publish the results here so everyone can see ( names redacted obviously) so you can get an idea if this is just a few folks talking or if this pressure to move out of the Valley is a real phenomena.

https://www.uamcah.com/sacramento-to-bay-area

Re: Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever

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Post by peter51 »

How does everyone feel about moving to Sacramento and upgrading your living spaces if you were able to commute to work on a flight to the Silicon Valley in less than 30 minutes if and when you have to be physically present at the office so you do not suffer the WFH blues.

If you feel positive about this idea, give us a little information about your commute needs via the form below and at what price point this flight would need to be at for you to justify the move.

We will publish the results here so everyone can see ( names redacted obviously) so you can get an idea if this is just a few folks talking as "actuator" suggest or if this pressure to move out of the Valley is a real trend.

https://www.uamcah.com/sacramento-to-bay-area

Re: Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever

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Post by peter51 »

How does everyone feel about moving to Sacramento and upgrading your living spaces if you were able to commute to work on a flight to the Silicon Valley in less than 30 minutes if and when you have to be physically present at the office so you do not suffer the lack of dynamic interactions that "jjjensen90" highlights as being important.

If you feel positive about this idea, give us a little information about your commute needs via the form below and at what price point this flight would need to be at for you to justify the move.

We will publish the results here so everyone can see ( names redacted obviously) so you can get an idea if this is just a few folks talking or if this pressure to move out of the Valley is a real phenomena.

https://www.uamcah.com/sacramento-to-bay-area

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