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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by wayneftw »

FabHK wrote: post #672
wayneftw wrote: post #615

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Apple's motto has always been "form/fashion/culture over function" and you can see that in many instances throughout their past. Aside what was mentioned in your other replies, I think the biggest piece of evidence is the fact that they stuck with their one-button mouse for such a long time even after multi-button mice became a very common third-party hardware purchase alongside a new Mac. Another commenter mentioned…

> Apple's motto has always been "form/fashion/culture over function" That is untrue. You might get away with arguing that it's the case now to an extent, and you could've argued that with the famously dysfunctional hockey-puck-mouse that shipped with the first iMacs, but to adduce the one-button mouse as evidence for said hypothesis betrays your ignorance of UI research and Apple's good old Human Interface Guidelines…

The HIG is utter garbage, objectively wrong on many topics and Apple never even follows every aspect of it themselves.

Here's all the desktop UI research you need to know: Apple has the worst UI of any desktop OS by far. It's full of undiscoverable functionality, icon-only buttons that you have to click first to find out what they do and lacking many features for basic things like window management... But it certainly is hilarious watching people operate it, swiping furiously to find that full-screen app that they lost because there's no real maximize button and the dock is now hidden or having to use the mouse pointer to do just every operation because the keyboard acceleration sucks.

Their mobile OS UI is very similarly meh, lacking options, hiding things and so-forth...the only thing really good about it is that it's more stable than Android.

And actually your own ignorance has been displayed here. There's nothing about the alleged superiority of one-button mice in the HIG. Look it up.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by muyuu »

gilbetron wrote: post #942
muyuu wrote: post #653

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Any issues with that model? I'm thinking of doing a similar switch but I really don't want to be fighting driver and compatibility issues.

I was having a one-a-day random lockup, that was fixed by this: https://medium.com/@agathver/nvidia-gpu-optimus-prime-and-ub... After that, it's been awesome. While inch-for-inch I like Mac trackpads the best, I hated the giant trackpad on the current macbook line, and the Dell trackpad is the right size and probably 95% as good. I don't care too much about not having all of the swipe shortcuts Mac has, so I didn't t…

One thing that's holding me back is that my early 2014 maxed-out 13in Macbook Pro model is still pretty great. I find it better than the 2018 I use at work. Better keyboard, MUCH better trackpad (although I'm using the mouse more these days) and performance-wise, I barely notice any difference...

The battery is nearly dead. Maybe worth it for me to have it serviced and just keep using it for some more time.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by Jill_the_Pill »

saagarjha wrote: post #847
Jill_the_Pill wrote: post #724

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You can buy a like-new, souped-up 2015 Macbook Pro on ebay. I am very happy with mine, except for the new OS.

> except for the new OS What do you dislike about the OS? Presumably it's running macOS Mojave?

A couple of control freak things. I despise the junk mail folder that can't be hidden or removed and requires an extra "are you sure" click to delete messages. It refuses to copy files from my external hard drive. I have to disable SIP to do some fairly normal stuff. Siri, though I have it turned off. Location on photos.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by makecheck »

pdimitar wrote: post #879
makecheck wrote: post #703

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I agree that the default OS window management is pretty limited but this can literally be solved for $5 or less (sometimes $1) using utilities on the App Store that perform snapping, saved layouts, etc.

Can you please give links? I only know about Stay so far.

For instance, “Window Tidy” or “Magnet” ($0.99). There are probably others.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by rbanffy »

liability wrote: post #987
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The only 8-bit Apple that suffered from inadequate cooling was the III. An average II would never overheat. You could, of course, load your II to a limit it'd fail, but my //e was fairly loaded (320k of RAM, SSC, Grappler, Microsoft Softcard (1 MHz Z-80), AE clock, Disk II and a PAL-M board). The II+ had mostly the same configs, with 64K and a Videx 80-column card in dual-head configuration. Both ran warm-ish for abo…

Actually you're mistaken. Initial Apple II's had poor cooling due to Steve Jobs' opposition to vents on aesthetic grounds. A few months later the case was revised, but the lesson didn't sink in, as evidenced by the infamous Apple III. > The first production Apple IIs had hand-molded cases; these had visible bubbles and other lumps in them from the imperfect plastic molding process, which was soon switched to machine…

Indeed, but that initial error was quickly corrected and those cases are unbelievably rare these days.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by mgkimsal »

random_comment wrote: post #971
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Just spent $200 on new battery and install for my 2015 MBP. I wish I'd opted for the 1t model vs 512g drive, but was getting refurb and at the time they had no 1t left - wasn't sure they'd have any more (friend of mine snagged one a few weeks later!)

> I wish I'd opted for the 1t model vs 512g drive Hi there. You can buy a sintech adapter on amazon that will let you put a standard NVME SSD into a macbook air/retina 2013-2015 model (and maybe some others). It costs about $20. With that, you can choose some of the cheap, new, fast, 2TB disks and get a massive improvement in speed and storage capacity for relatively little money. Google around; there are some recomm…

thanks!

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Post by mwfunk »

bsaul wrote: post #587
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I never had that impression, I always felt like the software sold the hardware. The hardware was always premium hardware with premium prices and correspondingly premium margins, but because the hardware was so good, people who bought it mainly for the software felt good about their purchase, and didn't mind paying extra for higher-end hardware than they might otherwise buy for themselves. This avoids the race-to-the-…

I’m not sure how old you are, but for a very long time mac os was actually almost a liability : you never knew if the software you needed was going to run on that platform. That’s why mac was for a very long time used only in niche markets ( sound and graphic designers, then developers started to use it starting mac os X). Also, you think to mix hardware with hardware power, but you seem to forget design. The mac ren…

I’m old enough to remember the bad old days but it’s a good point. I was specifically thinking of the post-MacOS, OS X (Panther and later especially) era.

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Post by aczerepinski »

saagarjha wrote: post #855
copperx wrote: post #840

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The 2018 model shouldn't be called an upgrade in any way.

It's faster…

Not in a way that I could perceive at work. I guess both the 2015 and 2018 are "plenty fast" for the web development work that I do.

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Post by mailslot »

copperx wrote: post #849
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I have Windows running along side macOS on my Mac Pro. It boots faster and the video screams... when it’s not installing updates. Seriously. It’s worse than my xBox.

The only reason I want a Mac again is for MacOS's hiDPI support. I can't stand regular screens anymore, and from what I've heard, Windows 10 hiDPI support is non-existent, even for non fractional scaling. Using Windows 10 forces one to either use a low resolution screen, or deal with the consequences (most non-flagship software fails at scaling). And that's not even getting into font rendering issues. Windows 10 can'…

Fonts are terrible on Windows. It feels like nitpicking, but as a former designer, I notice. Constantly.
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