Man, i miss those days before this industry got jumped by all those hijackers.
Imagine if the law was layered, as in - below a certain size, you could get away with unintentional mischief.
GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers
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#992I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…
I'm a Brit. I am the MD of a small IT company. I have two partners and 20 employees. We started in 2000. We turn over about £1.5Mpa. We sell our services to people and organisations. Our backups are now smaller these days (thanks to GDPR). I understand that because you are outside the EU you might feel like a target but that is not the point of GDPR. There is no way on earth that the EU as a whole has looked on your…
You’re missing the point completely.
I’m really glad to hear that I’m not being targeted. However, I don’t much care about what the intent is, I care about what the effect is.
And what I see is a law that is vague and enforcement agents are given broad discretion. What this looks like is that each case become “facts and circumstances” case, which is an absolute nightmare from a compliance standpoint.
And the additional paperwork and personnel requirements appear to be non-trivial and will add a significant amount to the minimum necessary capital and labor needed to start a startup .
The inevitable and undisputable result is that at least some startups on the margin which could’ve made it before the law was passed will not make it after the law was passed.
Supporters would argue this is a good thing, but I would argue it is not.
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#993It is not just Europe and GDPR. You should block users from every single country where you are not ready to take responsibility to comply with the local laws. By providing service/content in international scale you are doing business with real physical people there, regardless of your own or your server's location. Seriously. So Cloudflare (and all other CDN/web service providers) should really have country-based opt-in instead of opt-out, so you at least think a second before clicking the tick.
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#994Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>You are not allowed to literally sign away your firstborn, sell yourself into slavery, or accept a job at less than minimum wage. The last item is nothing like the first two. The EU is now going to see the natural conclusion of a society based on its conception of contract rights. Digital technology magnifies the effect of everything by several orders of magnitude, so I suspect we'll see dramatic consequences flow…
From a legal perspective, the last is pretty close to the first two. If you sign a contract saying those things a court will throw it out. End of story. This is how contracts work in the US too. Same as how in California non-compete clauses are illegal.
No, it's nothing like the first two. Common law would disqualify the first two, while certaintly allowing the last.
The last is only thrown out by courts because of statutory interference/intervention in contracts.
Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers
#995I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…
So because the sentiment here is that it's no big deal, which you yourself say "is only easy if you’re a very experienced programmer or who knows what he’s doing" somehow the audience is less technical here. Perhaps the sentiment is that it's no big deal precisely because the audience knows how to solve this problem.
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#996Earlier quoted context omitted.
The business culture defined in this post is really freaky, to say the least. You can't point me to one other industry where you can start selling shit w/o "knowing what you're doing". Or if you can't sell your things you lure people in with free stuff and sneakily fuck them up w/o no laws to work around which protect them. Simply and brutally put: if you are incompetent and/or malevolent in your business practices a…
This culture has driven innovation of the last 2 decades. You can't point me to one other industry which enjoyed as much success. Of course, Europe couldn't care less - they never had a real startup industry in the first place.
This kind of US-centric "only we know how to do startups" is tiring. And wrong, as there are in fact hubs here full of startups - you just don't generally hear about them online because it really is incredibly focused on everything American. I'm not saying that is a bad thing, but it is important to keep that in mind before you form opinions that are frankly a little distant from reality.
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#997Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If it's only meant to be used against big companies or extreme offenders, why doesn't it say so? Because, and this has been repeated millions of times on HN, Europe and the US follow different systems in writing laws
Perhaps we should then take some lessons from how they in USA write laws.
lol, no thanks.
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#998I keep seeing these posts on how to block European users to avoid the GDPR. As a citizen of Europe, seeing these posts consistently making it to the front page is disappointing. It would seem that Silicon Valley perceives the GDPR as more of a hindrance than an opportunity to offer users better privacy. Nothing has been learned.
>Nothing has been learned In my limited view, this is pretty much the case. When I was telling our management team about the GDPR and how it relates to our new European-focused project, the first thing the CEO said was "how do we get around this?" Management decided we're not gonna comply with the GDPR and just hope nobody notices.
Time to blow that whistle.
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#999Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe it's because, in general, Americans distrust government and trust corporations
Government can come in your house in the middle of the night, guns drawn, and take you away. Corporations can't.
No, corporations just pay the government to do it on their behalf.
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#1000Not that simple. It doesn’t matter where the connection is coming from, what really matters is if the person is european.