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Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by davidreiss »

dang wrote: post #959
davidreiss wrote: post #908

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> This is an extremely frightening statement to me. It truly is to me as well. It's something you expect nazis to say. Imagine if the comment was "The idea that I'm seeing any of these comments arguing to the contrary means HN is already infiltrated by israel and other jewish sympathizing groups." It's a form of intimidation to silence groups one disagrees with. I can't believe his comment is the most upvoted on HN o…

We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle and ignoring our request to stop. That's not what this site is for, it destroys what it is for, and we ban accounts that abuse the site this way. Would you please stop creating accounts to break the site guidelines like this?

>We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle and ignoring our request to stop.

Stop making things up. What ideological battle? Why aren't you banning the pro-censorship side?

> That's not what this site is for, it destroys what it is for, and we ban accounts that abuse the site this way.

There are far more pro-censorship comments? Why aren't those ideologies banned?

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by dang »

Zahreddine wrote: post #774

Just because someone does horrible shit in the name of the Nazi party does not mean the Nazi party itself is at fault.

We've banned this account for ideological trolling, religious flamewar (below), and personal attack (ditto).

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15035271 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by ausvisaissues »

dragonwriter wrote: post #174
ausvisaissues wrote: post #162

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Don't for a moment think it is just a city/rural thing (with a bunch of conservative country bumkins). Many people having non-leftwing ideas simply hide it. Since most workplaces have become politicised and hostile to conservative/right/slightly right of center views, people just hide it. Some people (including me) even engage in fake virtue signalling.

> Don't for a moment think it is just a city/rural thing (with a bunch of conservative country bumkins). Polling (both opinion polling and actual elections) show that it is very strongly an urban-vs-other thing.

I said "just" a rural urban thing. No doubt there are more leftwingers/liberals in cities. But it is not nearly as uniform as your experience would suggest.

Polling also said that Hillary would win the election, and brexit won't happen. People, including me, lie to pollsters.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by conductor »

dang wrote: post #992
Zahreddine wrote: post #774

Just because someone does horrible shit in the name of the Nazi party does not mean the Nazi party itself is at fault.

We've banned this account for ideological trolling, religious flamewar (below), and personal attack (ditto). We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15035271 and marked it off-topic.

Speaking of banning, can you please tell me why are my submissions shadowbanned? Thank you.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by sandov »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #26

I get the whole "companies can choose not to host whatever they want" argument, but in order to do anything on the internet, you have to interact with companies. If I want to run my own website, I need an IP address at the minimum, and ISPs are free to cut off my internet service if they don't like what I'm hosting. In a public setting, if people don't like what I'm saying, they can't force me to be quiet (generally)…

If there's a real free market, then people are going to find someone willing to host anything for money. The real problem is when the law prevents companies from hosting them.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by lern_too_spel »

DharmaPolice wrote: post #623
lern_too_spel wrote: post #411

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False equivalence. Gay people don't choose to be gay, and gay people aren't harming others. A business can refuse to serve skateboarders, shirtless people, and other people who are being a nuisance; and it can certainly refuse to serve people who bring violence wherever they go.

>Gay people don't choose to be gay Out of interest, if tomorrow it was somehow proved beyond doubt that being gay was a choice, would this make discrimination OK?

You left out the second part of the sentence.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by graphememes »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #988
sqldba wrote: post #513

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What gets me is - I don't think Daily Stormer was even important, was it? I mean it's not like this is a giant propaganda machine with millions of visits a day run by Hitler. It seems to me to be pretty much a pissant little blog. To be completely honest - when I went to look at what the fuss was about a few days ago - I couldn't see any serious hate message because it read like hilariously sarcastic teenage angst an…

You sound pretty privileged to only be asking for all of us to get along when so many people are asking not to be shot or subjugated by systems built to work against them.

You sound pretty privileged to be able to respond in such a way.

Sounds like you don't like what they are saying and instead of allowing it you want to stop them. Shame shame.

Entitled to your privilege of doing so though.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by graphememes »

allover wrote: post #680
yahna wrote: post #173

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Gee, I hope my site doesn't happen to anger him in some way.

Then 1. Don't be a nazi 2. Don't have Google and GoDaddy boot you off their services already leaving you looking like you support nazis. But mainly just 1.

Don't be a feminist, you might get booted off Google and GoDaddy.

Don't be a liberal, you might get booted off Google and GoDaddy.

Don't be a white male, you might get booted off Google and GoDaddy.

Don't be a female, you might get booted off Google and GoDaddy.

> That would never happen!

That's what you think, that's not what history has proven.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by graphememes »

ixtli wrote: post #550
Iv wrote: post #379

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I am conflicted. On one hand, I totally agree with what you say, on the other hand, the reason I am agreeing is that I fear what a nazi would do with that kind of power.

You should fear this. And you should acknowledge that owners always have this power and the precedence here isn't going to be what enables them to wield it.

Yes, fear this, yes, give them more power over your life.

Re: Why We Terminated Daily Stormer

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Post by kelnos »

camus2 wrote: post #798
kelnos wrote: post #396

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That would indeed be a problem. But that's not what's happened here. CloudFlare (or any CDN, for that matter) does not provide access. CF terminating their account did not remove their ability to speak. They have many other options. Regulations around ISPs and telecom providers exist specifically because there are often no other options.

You're forgetting the message I'm answering to > Free speech does not mean a company has to take part in spreading it :). IS false in practice. Some private companies cannot suppress speech.

Perhaps I'm missing that, but that portion of your post isn't really correct either. Most companies can suppress speech. Some -- which are few, in relative terms -- are regulated and barred from doing so, sure. So you may be "technically correct", but that's not particularly useful here. Most companies (including CF) can, and IMO should, suppress speech that they find reprehensible. It's a difficult line to walk, but ignoring the problem is cowardly, and tacitly condones bad behavior.
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