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Time to Take a Stand

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by grzm »

MicroBerto wrote: post #889
therealdrag0 wrote: post #874

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We already know of 800,000 Well no. The article you posted, which doesn't provide any data or source to any actual study, just says some researchers EXTRAPOLATED polling data, and they themselves say it is NOT plausible for non-citizen votes to account for all of Clinton's margin. So not only is this hardly anything to base a conclusion off of, the conclusion that is arrived at is that Clinton still won the popular…

Focusing on voter fraud is critical to sovereignty, especially with future elections coming up. A nation needs strict voting laws or it is not a nation. Besides non-citizens voting, there were also multiple votes across county and state lines as well as dead people voting. So I'm not just blaming illegal aliens. Ultimately, this argument is not going to go anywhere, so how about this: How much money would you like to…

Voter fraud is just one issue with respect to voting integrity. Easy-to-use and understand, verifiable voting procedures are very important as well. The 2000 presidential election made that abundantly clear.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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MicroBerto wrote: post #850

Can't wait to see what Altman writes when the voter fraud is investigated and it's over 3 million fraudulent votes. We already know of 800,000 ( http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinto... ). Detroit was apparent. The rest will come easily. What else is Altman wrong about??

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by mememachine »

disantlor wrote: post #961
thedevil wrote: post #412

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Well, we definitely should not pander to them. I actually think most people (Trump supporters, you, me, everyone) vote mostly based on identity (liberal/conservative, religion, race, open-minded, well-mannered, etc). I think Trump supporters mostly voted for the party that they most identified with, the guy they thought was on their side. And I think you did the same. (I see myself as unaligned and open-minded, thus…

certainly bubbles exist on both sides but only one side is proudly anti-intellectual, anti-science, increasingly anti-reason, etc etc people have dark and noble sides, sure, but the balance of them is not always the same at protests in nyc last night people were chanting for love and no hate, all our welcome, this is your land. maybe that's corny, but compare that to "lock her up" and "build the wall" there is a righ…

youre a sith bro

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by arundelo »

ada1981 wrote: post #465
lisper wrote: post #155

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Yes, pretty much. If enough people call to object then the prospect of losing the next election becomes real; they figure that if people are motivated enough to call then they might just be motivated enough to vote. That more than anything is what motivates politicians.

Faxes are actually the most noticeable and effective tactic.

Unfortunately I can't find a source for this but I saw someone saying recently (and it makes sense) that a lot of congress fax numbers just convert the fax to an email message rather than physically printing it out.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by stevens32 »

ihsw wrote: post #518
stonogo wrote: post #352

You have directly caused my wife's parents to miss the birth of their first grandchild, and worse things I won't name because they would personally identify me, by electing an idiot who is terrified of fictional terrorists. You are a bad person, and I don't care whether you appreciate knowing it or not. I don't really give a shit what you think of Hillary, because she did not needlessly block my family from coming to…

It's this kind of language that hardens people's positions, myself included. I fully support his policies despite your family being affected, gotta break eggs to make an omelet. The campaign was about targeting and isolating the harmful effects of globalization as well as terrorism. The message of his campaign is loud and clear -- America is for Americans. No more siphoning off of resources and no more half-measures.

"America is for Americans" ironically sounds extremely un-American to me. Isn't this on the statue of liberty?

“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

I think accepting the downtrodden and giving alms are (were?) core values of America - but maybe the problem is that we didn't focus enough internally and were left with a lot of people next door getting left behind.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by 65827 »

nolepointer wrote: post #182
65827 wrote: post #124

He's not a legitimate president any more. This is illegal. Anyone enforcing these illegal orders will be considered criminal as well.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegal. The Immigration and Nationality Act gives him this power.

Look how fucking wrong you were, it WAS 100% illegal the whole time. Doesn't really matter whether you like that fact or not, it's still illegal. Sorry kiddo.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by whitemale »

wcummings wrote: post #285
pfarnsworth wrote: post #26

I am affected personally by this. I have extended family members from Indonesia and Malaysia in the US who are still on Green Card. Although those countries aren't affected by the ban, who knows when Trump will decide to change his mind at his whim. But the time for talk has passed. I don't think very much is going to happen because Trump is empowered by his election victory, and he won't listen to anyone. Has he eve…

>Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans. This false equivalence convinced people to vote for Trump. No way Hillary would have implemented this ban.

> This false equivalence convinced people to vote for Trump.

"false equivalence" is a non-argument used by Hilary supporters to sidestep proving that she is objectively better than Trump, after it is correctly pointed out that she is not an angel from heaven either.

> No way Hillary would have implemented this ban.

This is a misleading statement that you can't even prove, because it requires you to either be a mind reader or being able to travel to an alternate reality. For the sake of argument though let's assume that she wouldn't have performed this action, can you prove that she wouldn't have done worst things? She gets money from Saudi Arabia, you would have a hard time proving that she can do no bad.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by whitemale »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #664
leesalminen wrote: post #152

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> I am affected personally by this. > Although those countries aren't affected by the ban... So, you have not yet been personally affected? That's like saying German citizens have been personally affected by this action.

I'm personally affected because my extended family is terrified of what could happen next. They do a lot of business in SE Asia, and can't afford to be locked out of the country indefinitely. We are all in it together, because we're a family, so yes, I'm personally affected.

The word you are looking for is concerned not affected. As you yourself pointed out, so far he hasn't done anything that actually affects you. If you want people to take you seriously, you need to not play the victim card and instead make rational arguments.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by whitemale »

Scirra_Tom wrote: post #86

I think it's shameful to have an open Trump supporter as part of the upper echelons of YCombinator (Thiel). Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But when you openly support a candidate who likes to "grab [women] by the pussy", and now is making headway into some sort of Muslim ban which was a campaign headline, how will female and muslim applicants feel if they know part of their process might be controlled by som…

> I think it's shameful to have an open Trump supporter as part of the upper echelons of YCombinator (Thiel).

I think it's shameful to bring politics into tech, it also goes against all that inclusivity talks that people give. Are we going to only allow people into tech if they subscribe to a particular political belief?

> Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But when you openly support a candidate who likes to "grab [women] by the pussy"

It's called bragging, it's what people do, and they make stuff up along the way, here is an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oVoJMVsKtk

If you convict every single man in the US who has made such a statement, you would not have many left.

> how will female and muslim applicants feel if they know part of their process might be controlled by someone who finds this acceptable?

How do you think female rape victims who have been raped by muslims feel about this? I also find it funny that you played the muslim and the female card in one paragraph, go on the internet and look up how women are being treated by most muslim countries.

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