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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by mindsocket »

joedevops wrote: post #561
farkas wrote: post #508

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> Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have CEO of Atlassian here. Can you list the features you deem missing? I want to check them against our roadmap, as I don't believe we have many gaps, and a host of things better.

While we've got your attention, the number one feature I'd like to see is installation and configuration that meshes well with devops tools.like Chef, Puppet or Ansible. Your current installers require multiple phases of installing the files/dbs and then interacting with running apps via a web ui to configure. Could you make it so that you could just lay down files, attach storage and start the service? Also, cluster…

I am a Bitbucket product manager.

There are a few options for configuration management and automation.

The installer[1], web setup[2] and almost everything in settings/admin/provisioning can be done via a config file, script or REST call[3].

There are a few 3rd party modules for config management tools available that make use of this:

Chef: https://github.com/bflad/chef-stash

Puppet: https://forge.puppetlabs.com/thewired/Bitbucket

We also provide a docker image that may be of interest: https://hub.docker.com/r/atlassian/bitbucket-server/

As for clustering, Bitbucket Data Center[4] provides the same self-hosted functionality as Bitbucket Server for 500+ user tiers, with active-active clustering for performance at scale and HA, as well as Smart Mirroring for distributed git read performance.

Feel free to email me (rbarnes@) if you have feedback on how these options work for you.

[1] https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucketserver/running-the...

[2] https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucketserver/automated-s...

[3] https://developer.atlassian.com/bitbucket/server/docs/latest...

[4] https://www.atlassian.com/enterprise/data-center/

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

#992

Post by mindsocket »

james-skemp wrote: post #675
farkas wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have CEO of Atlassian here. Can you list the features you deem missing? I want to check them against our roadmap, as I don't believe we have many gaps, and a host of things better.

Started moving from TFS over to Bitbucket server (local install for legal reasons). Have thus far created one project and a half dozen repos in it. Using this for work: - Would love to be able to see something on my profile page. I've got hundreds of commits but my user page is completely empty. Maybe this is because our repos are private, but since I'm logged in I would expect to see something. - I love GitHubs pers…

You're right about commit notification emails, an add-on is currently the best way to get this. It's something we'd love to add soon but isn't being worked on right now. You can hook up HipChat notifications for new commits as an alternative, and one that means less email.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by DanBC »

mjolk wrote: post #990
KirinDave wrote: post #976

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> The philosophic burden of proof is on you as you're making a statement counter to user "audessuscest"'s claim that meritocracy is important and the ideal is to make solely skill-based hires. Let's just... ignore the larger societal angle of harassment, denigration, fear and uncertainty that plagues women and some minorities in STEM fields or finance, okay? Let's say, "It exists but let's not discuss it here." I rea…

>Let's just... ignore the larger societal angle of harassment, denigration, fear and uncertainty that plagues women and some minorities in STEM fields or finance, okay? Let's say, "It exists but let's not discuss it here." No, let's not just agree to a narrative that you want to sell. I strongly reject your premise that uses weasel words and emotive language. You already tried manipulating the conversation by referen…

> The/my meritocratic process doesn't care about race or gender. When I hire consultants and contract-out work, I often don't know their race or gender and I'm not interested. I choose candidates in my price range based on the best work-samples.

It might be true for you. We know it's not true for many other people. That's why orchestras stick auditionees behind curtains. It's why people are advised to remove any protected characteristic information from their resumes/CVs.

> I'm going to stick with my approach of not caring about the gender, race, or any other _not at all relevant to their work or how I treat them as a person_ detail

I'd be interested in how you know you've eliminated this bit of strong conditioning, or whether you're operating under a cognitive bias.

Because so far when we test people who say "I don't care about race / sex / etc" we find people who do in fact care about it.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by sanctus »

err4nt wrote: post #941
sanctus wrote: post #680

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> except that because of the original remote nature of Github the first thing you saw was their work and then the person. Unless their name is in their username. Or they have a profile picture of themselves. Or they have their real name on their commits. Or their username or picture is something stereotypically masculine/feminine. I searched for 'things' on Github and looked at the most recent committer of the first…

Because everything name people use online must match their govt issued ID. I can still remember the first time I uploaded a masculine avatar I had to get a medical exam to prove I was the same gender people seeing my picture assume I am. Its a hard world, if only we could communicate online with a total identity of our choosing! We could all pick fake names, like a pen name, or a 'pseudo' name thay wasn't real. Wjat…

So what you're saying is that if a woman wants to avoid unconscious bias, she should avoid indicating her gender or pretend to be masculine?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jongraehl »

baq wrote: post #282
speeder wrote: post #243

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I have on my Facebook lots of feminist friends. One thing they frequently claim, is that they are NOT censoring anything, people are free to do whatever they want. Yet they keep pushing for this behaviour (black listing people that disagree with feminism, nagging companies until they decide to not launch products in some markets because fear of feminist backlash, and so on). I honestly don't see how they don't notice…

censorship has a very strict definition, so they may be right in a way.

if we think some pattern should be called "censorship", then it is called that. if your interlocutor refuses to move beyond "argument about definition of words" and you still want to communicate, you then have to taboo the word, which slows your thinking+communication down a bit, but so be it.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dcposch »

exstudent2 wrote: post #678
archagon wrote: post #612

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I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists . There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussi…

The tweets in this article are militant. A Github employee actually said this: http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008... That would not be possible if it wasn't a dominant culture (without him getting fired).

I feel like their general counsel should not have allowed any of this to happen.

Under the Civil Rights Act / Equal Opportunity law, race and gender are protected classes. So having your executives on record saying that "white women" are "some of the biggest barriers to progress" seems dangerous.

I'm not a lawyer, but when your employee tells Business Week that "it is very hard to even interview people who are 'white'", that seems like a legal disaster.

Replace "white" with any other color and notice how flagrantly racist and illegal that sounds. The law does not distinguish.

They need to fix this quickly.

They should assure people both internally and externally that hiring and promotion will be meritocratic, without regard to gender or race, and then ensure it actually happens that way.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by shadowmint »

droopybuns wrote: post #986
nikdaheratik wrote: post #980

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Right, I disagree with pretty much every point you're making, but maybe your anti-PC screed makes you feel better. I do question what this has to do with the core message of the article: GitHub has growing pains, long-time employees are unhappy because the Investors are bringing in the Suits and making them follow all kinds of corporate oversight stuff. Some unhappy employees also dislike the diversity hiring team, b…

I'm perplexed that you disagree. My intention is to get the angry dudes to chill out on arguing with every social justice warrior they meet. Is that the thing you want to disagree with? Or did I make my point poorly?

Perhaps the notion that people are actively discriminating against white guys, and that it's some kind of problem that people should just ignore because eventually it'll go away.

There's about 5 things in there you could disagree with.

(are they actively discriminating? is it just against white guys? is it actually a problem? should people just ignore it? will it eventually go away?)

I'm not saying yes or no to any of these, but I think its pretty obvious people could disagree with any number of things that you've said.

...that said, broadly speaking, I agree with the idea that people should just chill out...but also, that github's growing pains are probably about more than this particular issue you raise.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by developer2 »

archagon wrote: post #612
droopybuns wrote: post #494

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists . There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussi…

When white men with great credentials, skills and experience have their résumé thrown in the waste bin because a company has to meet "diversity quotas", then yes there is a problem. Discrimination is being battled with discrimination, with the exclusion of qualified people based on their race and gender - which is the original problem to begin with, just turned on its face.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by ssmoot »

james-skemp wrote: post #675
farkas wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have CEO of Atlassian here. Can you list the features you deem missing? I want to check them against our roadmap, as I don't believe we have many gaps, and a host of things better.

Started moving from TFS over to Bitbucket server (local install for legal reasons). Have thus far created one project and a half dozen repos in it. Using this for work: - Would love to be able to see something on my profile page. I've got hundreds of commits but my user page is completely empty. Maybe this is because our repos are private, but since I'm logged in I would expect to see something. - I love GitHubs pers…

I call my README files README.md and they show up.

Never tried it without the .md extension since that was the Github default (IIRC).

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by ta0967 »

kannonboy wrote: post #954
morgante wrote: post #650

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> It is not about the software. For me, it emphatically is about the software. Even for totally private repos, where popularity is not a factor, I continue to turn to Github because the UIs for both Bitbucket and GitLab continue to stand in the way of me easily getting shit done.

I hate to take impinge on your good nature, but you gave such good feedback to sytse I have to ask: what's getting in your way with Bitbucket? As a product company we're pretty focused on UX and spend a lot of time getting it right, so I'd love to hear any suggestions on how we can streamline it! (I'm one of the founding engineers on Bitbucket Server, but more involved in Bitbucket.org these days)

this comment (not by me) is representative of my impression of atlassian:

Why has it been 7 years and nothing's been done? We're also considering moving everything to github, even if the price is higher... especially since the interface is more user friendly and there are far superior integrations available. It seems Bitbucket has been lagging in improvements :(

  -- https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/589/file-history-should-follow-copies-and#comment-25069061
streamline your honesty about bb.org. turn it off or get serious. atlassian's handling of bb.org has turned me from "no opinion" to "avoid" on all their products.
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