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U.S. science is in chaos

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dmd wrote: post #550
enragedcacti wrote: post #393

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I don't think requiring prospective hires to write a DEI statement is equally as political as illegally cancelling already funded and approved research into e.g. racial disparities in maternal mortality, or health equity gaps for rural Americans (yes, it's DEI even if it's for predominantly white people).

It's not just research into things like that. As I mentioned elsewhere, one of the researchers in my department had a study canceled because something they did "engendered a robust hemodynamic response". Someone replied saying theirs was canceled for "mineral inclusion". There are thousands of things like this. It's not about DEI, it's about getting rid of science, because science is at odds with their view of the US…

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Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Post by squibonpig »

jschveibinz wrote: post #818

This will not be a popular comment, and I love science and scientists. I have spent my career working with scientists and investing in science. But the research community as a whole has a credibility problem. Does this problem merit financial cutbacks? I can't say, but it sure makes the rhetoric and justifications easier for those doing the cutting. These stats have been reported by various legitimate media sources--…

I don't think any of this gets better by cutting funding.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Post by squibonpig »

dzonga wrote: post #747

envy is very destructive feeling. the vc & tech bros while rich, felt envious of the power & respect the academics had. they backed the anti-science candidate, then got involved in useless schemes such as 'government efficiency' which didn't result in any efficiency. so blaming this on the current admin, isn't enough. some of the people to blame live in SF

Wait a second you're kind of right. That's why they always want to pretend they "could've done physics"

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

rbtprograms wrote: post #855
jandrewrogers wrote: post #758

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The terms "expat" and "immigrant" are not synonyms. There is a material semantic distinction in American English. Most Americans that live overseas tend to be expats rather than immigrants. Those two terms don't convey the same meaning.

whatever makes Americans feel better about being immigrants or migrant workers is fine by me

It's not fine by you, since you brought attention to it.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Post by jibal »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #474
wins32767 wrote: post #465

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Do you have any idea how smug this sounds to about half the people that need to pay for the scientific funding? I'm not a Republican, but even I'm turned off by this sort of attitude.

Wouldn't want to research anything that might make someone question their beliefs. What you are saying doesn't sound like any kind of science I'm familiar with.

The guy claims that Richard Muller disproved the mainstream consensus of climate science. I don't think his claim of not being a Republican is credible.

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Post by ikrenji »

johnsmith1840 wrote: post #977
ikrenji wrote: post #974

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whatever the current admin is doing classifies as burning it. if not all the way down, then halfway down

If the deffinition to you is anything the admin does then that's hard to argue.

the admin cuts funding by 40% ~ cutting something by 40% is bad for it ~ burning something down is an euphemism for acting on something in a way that's bad for it. what are you not following?

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Post by hardbass »

wins32767 wrote: post #465
LadyCailin wrote: post #443

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I’m not convinced academia purged itself, at least not in any way that they should be ashamed of. Reality has a liberal bias, and my extremely conservative uncle at one point mentioned how he didn’t want his kids to go to college, because college turns kids atheist. Actually, learning things opens your mind, and so the standard conservative positions come off looking pretty stupid after critical examination, so conse…

Do you have any idea how smug this sounds to about half the people that need to pay for the scientific funding? I'm not a Republican, but even I'm turned off by this sort of attitude.

It's easy to offend them without even trying. Every day they find something absolutely absurd to be inflamed about. We should know when it's beyond sanity to try to pander to some persons.

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Post by hardbass »

LadyCailin wrote: post #908
wins32767 wrote: post #465

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Do you have any idea how smug this sounds to about half the people that need to pay for the scientific funding? I'm not a Republican, but even I'm turned off by this sort of attitude.

I stopped caring about hurting the feelings of conservatives when they started intentionally fucking over everyone just to make liberals mad. Catering to their stupidity is called appeasement, and just ask the Europeans how that works out.

Conservatives are the ones calling for fuck the feelings, why are they themselves so emotionally weak and always making an emotional ruckus at everything.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Post by guru4consulting »

littlekey wrote: post #423
twothreeone wrote: post #343

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Which really tells you more about the state of mind of people asking that question. What kind of person isn't curious about the puzzle of their own existence, or the nature of the physical reality they live in (and yes, by "being curious" I mean "being willing to put a tax dollar amount to them")?

>What kind of person isn't curious about the puzzle of their own existence A person who struggles to put food on the table and a roof over their heads, for one.

stupidest response. There are tons of gov waste that's 100 times more expensive, less effective without any returns. Wars are lot more expensive, net negative for common folks (positive for war machinery though..) And out of all this, you would steal money from research and put it to put food on table? :(
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