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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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> I personally can't understand anyone wanting to move to the US anymore except for extreme reasons. I am German and honestly can't wait to move to the US once I get a suitable H-1B offer. I already spent 8 months in Boston for a research stay, and back then the doomer mentality among natives was wild to me. From an outsider's perspective it’s crazy to watch. Life, and especially the ceiling for what you can achieve,…

So many words just to say you want more money. > Younger workers have zero political leverage to change it because our demographic is just too small to matter at the ballot box. Because: > can't wait to move to the US once I get a suitable H-1B offer.

That isn't why though. Germany has a demographic cliff right now. Same post WWII baby boom as anywhere but for whatever reason, no echo boom in the 80-90s like the US. Also US has absolutely been sponging up central and south american immigrants hand over fist especially the last 40 years, meanwhile europe has been quite a bit less permissive in this aspect.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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The US isn’t what it used to be. It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric. The requirement of being permanently obligated to pay us taxes on global income, if you have any kind of global mobility, is not worth it when you look at the situation objectively. The US is the only country that requires this, and signing up is voluntarily. So while US immigration c…

There's a term called "US Person". Many European banks will refuse to open your bank account if you're a "US Person" and require upfront declaration that I'm not a "US Person." Reason? Because banks don't want to deal with the mandatory annual reporting of the "US Persons" to US government on regular basis. Their solution? Don't have a "US Person" as your client.

I’m an American living abroad. I know a bit about this. Here’s my experience:

- The USA passed a law called the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA), which mandates that any bank doing business with Americans overseas must report certain information to the USA: https://www.irs.gov/businesses/corporations/foreign-account-...

- When anyone anywhere in the world opens a bank account, the bank asks if you have ever been a “US Person,” and if you have been, then you need to provide documentation about whether you currently are or aren’t (typically showing a USA passport or proof of having renounced USA citizenship)

- For banks that will work with Americans, they have to report basic information back to the USA every year, which includes highlights like your contact information, tax ID, account numbers, end-of-year balance, etc.

- Americans also must self-report this kind of information via the FBAR (Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts, technically FinCEN Form 114), which isn’t too horrible to fill out other than the fact that you file it through FinCEN’s clunky BSA E-Filing system, which still wants you to install Adobe Acrobat Reader like it’s 2010.

- FATCA is primarily annoying to banks because they already have to comply with CRS, the Common Reporting Standard, which is basically an international standard developed by the OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development) where participating countries automatically report each other’s residents’ financial information. The kicker is that the USA never actually joined CRS, so banks have to run a whole separate FATCA process just for a relatively small number of Americans living abroad, which is a big duplication of effort.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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I'm dumb, can someone give me an objective take as to why leaving the country is a good thing for applying a green card? In Australia usually you apply when you already have an existing visa, and if that's going to expire you usually apply for what is known as a bridging visa while your PR application is being processed.

It's not. The US green card process takes years, and being forced to be outside the country while the process is ongoing makes it very hard to continue working for a US employer, which is how most people are actually sponsored for a GC in the first place. If you're looking for some objective rationale for this change, you're not going to find one. This is simply designed to make GCs much, much harder to get and dissu…

I think others are saying you just need to apply outside the country but you can return while the process is ongoing. So it seems to be some kind of clerical thing.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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I don’t want to defend the cure administration, but it’s very common and normal for a country to require a person to leave to change status. Every time my Canadian work visa expired I had to drive over the border, enter the US, turn around and drive back to start the new one. The border guards call it “flag-poling” because you do a U turn around the flag pole. When I went from work visa to permanent resident I had to…

That’s strange. I was able to renew a work permit in Canada while staying (and continuing work) in Canada. Same for study permit. This was over a decade ago, so perhaps things have changed. They also were not called visas, but permits. Visa is for entering the country, permit is for staying.

The article is about U.S and not Canada. Also yes, you can stay in Canada while apply + wait for the final decision, but if you get rejected, you have to leave. Also in your application, you have to state where you applying from. I find the Canadian immigration system clear and fast, login, input data, pay, wait.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#986

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I received mine in 2020 and have decided to move back home. The uncertainty in general just keeps me up at night. Feels like the goalposts could move at any moment. I know I'm likely overreacting but it is what it is.

You're not overreacting in my opinion. If it looks like 1930s Germany and quacks like 1930s Germany, get as far away from that duck as you can.

Not every (slightly) authoritarian government is akin to a regime that was responsible for the industrial scale killing of more than 11 million people.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

> Whoever thought of this is either intentionally malevolent or inexcusably incomprehending of the immigration process. It's always weird to me to see confusion/uncertainty such as this. It's intentionally malevolent. Obviously. MAGA types hate immigration. They make a lot of noise about illegal immigration, but the fact is that they hate all kinds of immigration (unless you're white-looking and conservative enough).…

It was more a bit of rhetorical flourish than serious doubt as to which motivation is the true explanation. :-)

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Got this email (!) from an immigration attorney friend that basically says green card applicants need to leave the country in order to file. From: U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services uscis@messages.dhs.gov Sent: Friday, May 22, 2026 6:59 AM Subject: U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Will Grant ‘Adjustment of Status’ Only in Extraordinary Circumstances WASHINGTON—U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services…

That’s really unfair, sorry this is happening to you. > Nonimmigrants, like students, temporary workers, or people on tourist visas, come to the U.S. for a short time and for a specific purpose. Our system is designed for them to leave when their visit is over. Their visit should not function as the first step in the Green Card process. Do they consider H1B workers to be “temporary” for this purpose? It seems broken…

Xenophobia driven policies are intentionally cruel.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#989

This seems like it could have some ramifications. Let's saying you're dating somebody on a work visa, if you wanted to marry and sponsor their residency, would they now need to return to their home country to wait for the embassy? The embassies reviewing applications put a LOT of weight on time spent in person, BUT they also require the US applicant to have domicile. So effectively, the only way to proceed is a long-…

yea, i’d say this is rather ridiculous. it places an undue financial burden on someone to uproot their life after they’ve already made community connections just to stay permanently. this seems very much obviously designed to discourage and halt immigration by making it more painful

I think you articulated the administration's intentions well.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

#990

I support this. The United States is too crowded. I don't want to compete with all these new people for housing. American citizens really need to begin advocating for themselves. For their material interests.

Also consider that these "new people" are assets to our economy. They're tax payers, many are highly educated, and their presence over the last hundred years is the exact reason you have the privilege of being in a wealthy country. Seriously, how do people think the US became what it is? Will sending these people away improve our economy? Because I doubt it. I mean, we've been doing mass deportations right? Well... h…

"They're tax payers, many are highly educated," yes they have more purchasing power the day they arrive than I do after 4 generations.

That's not right and toxic for social cohesion. Your immigrant class should not be wealthier or have superior earning power to the native population. That's like a sociological time bomb.

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