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Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by DeepSeaTortoise »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #974
DeepSeaTortoise wrote: post #938

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Shanghai a Tier 1 city? IMO it's not very representative of the whole country. It's also not like China is an overachieving outlier, but western nations actively having been sabotaged by its leadership at least since 1990 and MUCH MUCH more so since occupy wallstreet. FFS Germany is blowing up its nuclear powerplants on a never before seen record breaking schedule so that a potential successor government cant r…

Yes but it was the same in the two Tier 1.5-2 cities I also went to. Obviously it's not the whole country, but it's setting a trend still, especially when it's always the richest who pollute the most per capita.

Interesting, never heard anyone calling some place a Tier 1.5 city. Is this a recent development as "almost official" as the Tiers itself, something obvious I just never picked up on or people taking pride in their Tier 2s doing really well?

Also why does the Tier list keep expanding downwards? Wasn't being called a Tier 4 basically exclusively an insult? Sub culture not being satisfied with just embracing rotting anymore, but now racing for the bottom of the sea?

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by FrinkleFrankle »

goatlover wrote: post #406
jtr1 wrote: post #212

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"But the economy" is an out-of-date framing. The cost of renewables has been plummeting for well over a decade. New renewables are now cheaper than new fossil fuel plants in most of the world, and in many regions they're already competitive with or cheaper than simply running existing fossil fuel infrastructure. As modern wars in Ukraine and now Iran are increasingly demonstrating, they are not only cost effective bu…

A new US administration and Congress need to be voted in. There is one party who backs fossil fuel interests and denies anthropogenic climate change. They're currently in charge. The American public didn't see that as an important enough issue in 2024.

They need a complete reworking of the government. The fact is that bum-fuck states with a handful of citizens can use their senate seats to hold the country hostage. Nothing will ever get better until that is resolved.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by imtringued »

ai-x wrote: post #808
notarobot123 wrote: post #182

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Ironically, those still unconvinced of the human influence on climate change seem to be the sort that would trust the basement randos more than they would reputable scientists

There are various levels of perspectives - Climate Warming is a hoax - Climate Warming is happening, but not Man Made and part of larger cycles - Climate Warming is Man Made, but drastic De-growth strategies cause more harm. - Climate Warming is Man Made, don't need de-growth strategies because Technology will solve energy efficiency, clean energy growth and carbon capture and humans adapt along the way - Climate War…

You forgot to list like a dozen variants in-between the last two groups. The abrupt end and extremely biased framing is almost comical.

>Climate Warming is Man Made, don't need de-growth strategies because Technology will solve energy efficiency, clean energy growth and carbon capture and humans adapt along the way

Green growth aka energy efficiency doesn't work, so one more category.

Carbon capture doesn't work without government subsidies. Hence you need a group of people who would be willing to pay tax money to solve climate change. One more category.

Human adaptation can mean many things. People accept climate change even if it means mass immigration. One more category.

People accept climate change even if it means armed border conflicts where immigrants get shot (see Poland) due to closed border policies. One more category.

People resign and accept the negative consequences of climate change as the new normal, similar to people living in polluted cities, except globally. One more category.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by 4er_transform »

jihadjihad wrote: post #510
notarobot123 wrote: post #182

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Ironically, those still unconvinced of the human influence on climate change seem to be the sort that would trust the basement randos more than they would reputable scientists

Because they are practicing the reverse scientific method. They hold a conclusion in their hand, like, man-made climate change is a hoax , and seek to find any threads of "evidence" that support their foregone conclusion.

Actually I think a lot of climate change denialism has more to do with the “…and so we have to do X to solve it” part of climate change. It’s “climate change activism” that turns people off.

Climate change is real. That doesn’t mean we should halt economic growth. Unfortunately this is another area that gets so wrapped up in political power and incentives where: Democrats have factions and groups that want to implement world changing measures and redirect billions of dollars in a way that benefits their interests, and climate scientists seem to weigh the climate costs far higher than the economic devastation a hard switch would bring, so naturally there’s a level of skepticism at the whole affair.

There should be level headedness about it: climate change is real, it’s not world ending yet but we should get ahead of it, we need to make investments in changing our societal behavior to get on a track that balances mitigating the harms while keeping the real economic boon that comes with our current approach.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by moritzwarhier »

4er_transform wrote: post #984
jihadjihad wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they are practicing the reverse scientific method. They hold a conclusion in their hand, like, man-made climate change is a hoax , and seek to find any threads of "evidence" that support their foregone conclusion.

Actually I think a lot of climate change denialism has more to do with the “…and so we have to do X to solve it” part of climate change. It’s “climate change activism” that turns people off. Climate change is real. That doesn’t mean we should halt economic growth. Unfortunately this is another area that gets so wrapped up in political power and incentives where: Democrats have factions and groups that want to impleme…

Have you considered that there might be political decisions that are necessary, but not associated with a short-term gain for the majority of people?

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by JackSlateur »

shrubby wrote: post #567

We could chop of a quarter of total emissions (directly + rewilding effect) by ending factory animal production and swapping to plant based. Another quarter from the top 5 percent emissions that have practically nothing to do with the wellbeing, but only social comparison mechanisms (envy, herd mentality). But for that humanity would need leaders that are not either idiots, corrupt or spineless and toothless. But hey…

Do you know what it takes for plants to grow ? fertilizer

Do you know how can fertilizer be produced without animals ? Oil

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by JackSlateur »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #819

There's a huge hypocrisy in wanting others to pollute less, yet still have a lifestyle that pollutes, but just less than those polluting the most. I personally won't criticize people who take flights to go on vacation (I don't but I accept those who do). But I'll be pointing out the hypocrisy of those who take flights to go on vacation and yet want to micro-manage how others should live their lives so that they'd be…

This is a serious question: have you ever consider killing people ?

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by autoexec »

4er_transform wrote: post #984
jihadjihad wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they are practicing the reverse scientific method. They hold a conclusion in their hand, like, man-made climate change is a hoax , and seek to find any threads of "evidence" that support their foregone conclusion.

Actually I think a lot of climate change denialism has more to do with the “…and so we have to do X to solve it” part of climate change. It’s “climate change activism” that turns people off. Climate change is real. That doesn’t mean we should halt economic growth. Unfortunately this is another area that gets so wrapped up in political power and incentives where: Democrats have factions and groups that want to impleme…

> Climate change is real. That doesn’t mean we should halt economic growth.

I've never seen "halting economic growth" as a suggestion for dealing with climate change that was being taken seriously. There might be some crackpots out there insisting that we need to being the economy to a halt and move into caves or something, but I think the vast majority understands that it isn't going to happen. That said, there are things that could be done which would hurt the profits of the ~50 companies who are responsible for most of the global CO2 emissions and/or trillions in climate related damages without causing the entire global economy to grind to a stop or collapse (as much as they'd love for us to believe otherwise).

The greatest societal behavior that needs to be changed is the way we allow a very small number of people get away with making insane amounts of money by causing insane levels of harm. Until that changes, the harmful systems that those people have created for themselves to profit under won't change either.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by throwaway290 »

plaidfuji wrote: post #948
yanhangyhy wrote: post #875

The 15th Five-Year Plan (2026-2030) outline draft has listed making new and significant progress in building a Beautiful China as one of its main objectives, with achieving the carbon peaking target on schedule being a crucial aspect of this goal. In 2020, China made a commitment to the world: to peak carbon dioxide emissions before 2030 and strive to achieve carbon neutrality before 2060. Last year, China announced…

China is the world’s largest fossil fuel importer, so this is a case where their economic incentives align with global environmental trends. I suspect they would be trying to do this regardless of whether global warming were a problem. And now that they’re heavily invested in green tech manufacturing, it’s kind of a self-fulfilling feedback loop - they have an interest in promoting electrification worldwide.

But for now it is the country with 3x coal plants than the next country (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/number-of...), 95% of coal plants under construction in the world (not counting how many coal plants were approved but not yet started), and emits more CO2 per year than US and EU combined https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-re...

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by mrs6969 »

kulahan wrote: post #796
mrs6969 wrote: post #794

So some people made up something called ai, made millions of people out of jobs, big scams in market, filled internet with rubbish things, killed people with delusional chatbots, killed the planet, and all to make themselves rich. If I do this, this would have been a crime. Nothing more.

Literally none of those things you wrote are inherently a crime. Granted, maybe that’s the problem, but no - it’s not illegal to get rich, or to use a lot of energy, or to make low quality products.

Making scams in market by creating fake cycles is.

Also killing peple with chatbots; what crime are you looking for?

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