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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by pydry »

woodruffw wrote: post #700
pydry wrote: post #685

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Many of whom were cops. Trump and Israel are not backing nonviolent protestors in Iran. Theyre hell bent on provoking a civil war and are quite open about it. Plenty of video of evidence of protestor violence if you care to look. Meanwhile team genocide are trying to run a guilt trip on the rest of us Because we care less about a crackdown on protestors by another government than we do a fully fledged genocide aided…

Why would you feel guilty for the actions of Iran’s government? That doesn’t seem like the appropriate reaction, even if you’re directionally “pro” Iran because they’re directionally opposed to Israel. (Ultranationalist/reactionary states like Iran and Israel love this kind of absolute framing, because it allows the state to ratchet, rather than de-escalate, cycles of violence.)

The guilt trip is aimed by people who support the genocide at meek liberals who might be worried that they're not demonstrating "equal" concern about Iran.

It was the same shit back when they used to accuse meek liberals of being antisemitic for criticizing some of the most extreme racists on planet earth.

It doesnt matter how Iran frames things. This isnt a "both sides" issue. Youll only get iran's opinion if you read presstv, they dont flood english speaking forums.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by woodruffw »

pydry wrote: post #981
woodruffw wrote: post #700

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you feel guilty for the actions of Iran’s government? That doesn’t seem like the appropriate reaction, even if you’re directionally “pro” Iran because they’re directionally opposed to Israel. (Ultranationalist/reactionary states like Iran and Israel love this kind of absolute framing, because it allows the state to ratchet, rather than de-escalate, cycles of violence.)

The guilt trip is aimed by people who support the genocide at meek liberals who might be worried that they're not demonstrating "equal" concern about Iran. It was the same shit back when they used to accuse meek liberals of being antisemitic for criticizing some of the most extreme racists on planet earth. It doesnt matter how Iran frames things. This isnt a "both sides" issue. Youll only get iran's opinion if you re…

I don't know what equal concern means, per se. It seems normal for people to express more or less concern about individual tragedies based on their background, etc. This is distinct from being unable to acknowledge that any given action is bad, which would be the territory of an ideologue.

(I get Iran's opinion because I have Iranian friends.)

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by whacko_quacko »

xorcist wrote: post #511
whacko_quacko wrote: post #406

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That's like saying the EU fundeh Hamas because they gave aid money to Gaza. If you squint at it the right way then maybe, but fundamentally it's disingenuous to call something like that funding. But "the Jews .. uhm, I mean Israel .. had it coming and they did it to themselves" is always a favorite, isn't it?

If that was true, it would be like that. But it isn't, so it's not. EU is wide, and does not always speak with one voice, but it has a clear history of doing their best to avoid funding the proto-democratic forces in the region. Any support of religious extremists is considered a failure and acted upon.

Are you kidding me? Hamas controlled the aid distribution until the US and Israel recently implemented their own distribution channels.

BTW, here's 120 Million funneled through te UN, which has dependent organizations (UNRWA) with ties to Hamas https://civil-protection-humanitarian-aid.ec.europa.eu/news-...

https://unwatch.org/new-un-watch-report-exposes-hamas-takeov...

But hey, that's okay, because Israel is the problem, right?

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Post by dotancohen »

master_crab wrote: post #898
dotancohen wrote: post #891

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As neither a Muslim nor a Christian, but have lived among both, the dismissive argument "A is more similar to B than C" should not mean "I don't need to be concerned about A or B or C".

Nowhere in the passage is it saying that. Merely that A, B, and C are the same and their difference play less of role in society than we think. Radical Christians are no different from radical Muslims who are no different than radical Jews.

  > Radical Christians are no different from radical Muslims who are no different than radical Jews.
Be that as it may, by examining the frequency of terror attacks the percentage of what you call "radical Muslims" is high enough that they do not need to be termed "extremist Muslims". Whereas Jewish and Christian terrorist attacks are attested to such a small percentage of the population that the terms "radical Christian" and "extremist Christian" are effectively synonyms.

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Post by goku12 »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #852
goku12 wrote: post #469

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"if" he actually becomes a dictator? When is that? When he declares himself the supreme dictator of the US? Or when he nukes another nation because of his racism? Look around and compare with the Nazis. There is already the demonization and dehumanization of a large demographic group. There are concentration camps and extralegal police forces around already. Just like in Nazi extermination camps, the people who disap…

When he stays in power after losing an election or similar. He did sorta try to do this...but didn't go all the way through.

That's too low a bar. It hasn't happened yet, but he has already done enormous damage on multiple fronts, some irreversible like the disruption of global economy, trauma of ICE terror victims and the enormous loss of human lives everywhere. You're saying that all those aren't serious enough for you. But for the rest of the world including the entire Americas (NA and SA besides the US), the Caribbean, the middle east, Africa and even the EU, consider the US as a serious threat now.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by sudo-umar »

petcat wrote: post #496
sega_sai wrote: post #471

I have no sympathy for Khamenei, but, if that is allowed we should not be surprised if Denmark prime minister is next?

It's an easier decision to make if Denmark's PM decides to spray bullets at 20,000 student protestors.

So its okay in case of bibi?

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Post by underlipton »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #473
underlipton wrote: post #289

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I don't know whether I'm "kidding" or not, but I might as well post what immediately came to mind as I read this: Sandra Bland et al. ICE detainments The excess 20k (as far as absolute numbers go) road fatalities in the US versus Iran. And the excess I-have-no-idea-how-many-k who died under Trump's bungled COVID response (and who are going to die from Biden's bungled rail strike response)(and who died under Obama's f…

> because of his pre-9/11 mismanagement I'm not here to defend GW Bush. He did many stupid things. But I don't recall a lot of criticism around his "pre-9/11 mismanagement". Can you offer some specifics? The hunt for Osama Bin Laden started (at least) with Clinton and continued with GW Bush. Unfortunately, neither was able to stop him before the 9/11 attacks.

It's well-known that the FBI and CIA had information that, if they'd been more amenable to collaboration, probably would have led them to the conclusion that an attack was imminent. The entire reason why the DHS was created was because the jealous compartmentalization of each agency's intelligence is why we didn't catch it.

Some quick temperature-check reading from around the time of the 9/11 Commission: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/11/weekinreview/the-world-an...

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by SethMurphy »

Dig1t wrote: post #963
SethMurphy wrote: post #949

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Yes, and the price of oil has gone up 10% last I saw. United states domestic oil sells at the same price. Maybe not planned, but a reality. On the flip side the possibility this affect the global economy, which includes the US, more negatively is probably true also.

Again though, you are presenting 0 evidence that these strikes have anything to do with oil. Meanwhile there's a mountain of evidence that this has everything to do with Israel and its ambition to dominate the region.

I am a student of history and am offering the observations I see in regards to that. Your points are valid too and the narrative around the war. Another validation of my point. Neither of us know the true motives, but history has shown the side the United States chooses is the one that benefits trade th most, not a moral decision. This is my only point.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/03/03/business/iran...

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