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Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

#984

All this is for nought. The power lies with the US Govt. And its corrupt, immoral and unethical, run by power hungry assholes who are not being held accountable, headed by the asshole who does a million illegal things every day. Ultimately, Anthropic will fold. All this is to show to their investors that they tried everything they could.

Anthropic probably can’t fold, they might lose an existential number of researchers if they did. This is literally an unstoppable force meets an immovable object situation. Hegseth probably folds. It would be too unpopular for him to take either of the actions he threatened.

I was wrong.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

#985

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mark my words, they will burn at some point. The government can nationalize it at any moment if they desire.

Flagship LLM companies seem like the absolute worst possible companies to try and nationalize. 1. There would absolutely be mass resignations, especially at a company like Anthropic that has such an image (rightfully or wrongfully) of “the moral choice”. 2. No one talented will then go work for a government-run LLM building org. Both from a “not working in a bureaucracy” angle and a “top talent won’t accept meager go…

Anthropic is giving huge bonuses and paying the most. This is the reason talent is there.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

#986

I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…

There's a simpler explanation than "billionaires with hearts of gold" here. If: (1) this is a wildly unpopular and optically bad deal (2) it's a high data rate deal--lots of tokens means bad things for Anthropic. Users which use their product heavily are costing more than they pay. (3) it's a deal which has elements that aren't technically feasible, like LLM powered autonomous killer robots... then it makes a whole l…

guess it didn't work, whiskey pete did the thing: https://xcancel.com/SecWar/status/2027507717469049070

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Does US really have Department of War? Is this Antropics way to show how f &^ ^& up they are in Department of Defense, or did they rebranded it to the old WWI/II days?

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

#988

> mass __domestic__ surveillance is incompatible with democratic values But mass surveillance of Australians or Danes is alligned with democratic values as long as it's the Americans doing it? I don't think the moral high ground Anthropic is taking here is high enough.

But at least they're taking _some_ stance. Yes, it could be higher, but it's better than nothing, and requires courage

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

#989

All of these problems are downstream of the Congress having thoroughly abdicated its powers to the executive. The military should be reigned in at the legislative level, by constraining what it can and cannot do under law. Popular action is the only way to make that happen. Energy directed anywhere else is a waste. Private corporations should never be allowed to dictate how the military acts. Such a thought would be…

> Congress having thoroughly abdicated its powers to the executive.

This is a common but far too passive description.

Republicans in Congress support everything Trump and friends are doing.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a one-election thing. It's going to be a generational effort to fix what these people are breaking more of every day. I hope I live to see it come to some kind of fruition - I recently turned 50.

Some people are calling it the "American century of humiliation" No other country that went through a phase like this has ever recovered. Not even in a century.

> Some people are calling it the "American century of humiliation"

They should wait until some or all of the following things have happened:

1. Camp David is sacked, looted and burned to the ground by foreign troops. [1]

2. Foreign naval vessels patrol American rivers to protect foreign corporate interests in America. [2]

3. Foreign nations have unrestricted access to American ports and trade. [3]

4. America pays a large indemnity for attempting to resist. [4]

5. Foreign nationals become immune to US law. [5]

6. Multiple military defeats and territorial losses. [6]

7. This goes on unfettered for 100 years.

All in all perhaps it is a bit early to call it that.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Summer_Palace#Destruction

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangtze_Patrol

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_Treaties

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Indemnity#The_clauses

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritoriality#China

[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation#History

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