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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by Aerroon »

herbst wrote: post #496
Helmut10001 wrote: post #492

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This is somewhat counterintuitive: The US is the only country I know where most newspapers and government services use strict geoblocks to prevent me from accessing US sites in Europe. Conversely, I've never had any problems accessing European sites from the US. I know this is for a different set of reasons (likely GDPR cookie law or similar), but it's funny that anyone thinks blocks like this are relevant. Most peop…

This. I regularly face geo blocks from American websites. Like literally at least once a week. It's very common for whatever reason for smaller US shops, newspapers any size and other random sites.

The geoblocks happened because of our (EU) governments making punitive rules of the website doesn't follow European standards. It's easier for an American website targeted at Americans to just not bother with Europeans.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by ImJamal »

bastawhiz wrote: post #977
ImJamal wrote: post #882

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North Carolina hasn't banned porn. The EU has banned RT and other sites.

North Carolina has effectively banned porn by requiring porn sites to collect IDs.

Did all US states effectively ban alcohol by requiring an ID? Did all US states ban driving by requiring ID? Did every country ban flying by requiring ID?

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by reliabilityguy »

nielsbot wrote: post #861
reliabilityguy wrote: post #797

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I’ve read the article and I do not see any evidence to the original claim. Where did Vance say that he supports racist ideologies? Being anti-immigration is not racist.

> Being anti-immigration is not racist it de facto is even if you claim otherwise or hide behind "but economics" we do not need to give anyone in this administration benefit of doubt.

> it de facto is

So, when Bernie in 2016 said that illegal immigration is bad thing he was racist?

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by reliabilityguy »

grayhatter wrote: post #979
reliabilityguy wrote: post #976

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> No, you have completely misunderstood. No, I understood you quite well. You said that I am just argumentative for the sake of it, and that we can use deduction based on the incomplete evidence because it makes sense. > Yes? It's not a difficult concept that you can use pattern recognition to predict how someone, or something will behave. It works especially well the more moving parts there are. The more moving part…

> So, it's on me then that when people are making outlandish claims without evidence that they fail to produce such evidence? Yes, but that yes depends on your goals. Your name is reliabilityguy so I'm going to assume you've read the 500Mile email lore already. A responsible person will dig in and engage and try to figure out why emails only work for 500 miles. Even though that's clearly absurd, and they don't have a…

Still no tweet, huh?

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by kulahan »

jjtwixman wrote: post #958
kulahan wrote: post #902

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It really doesn’t matter, the leaders who need to overlook personal grudges are the ones who do the wheeling and dealing here. Probably worth noting that if the US isn’t at the head of the table, it’s moved to China by default, not Europe. Though their propaganda seems to be quite successful lately.

Typical American arrogance. You assume you can treat everyone around you like shit and we'll just put up with it. Don't you understand? You're threatening to invade us, China isn't. So no matter how bad China may be, you're still worse at the moment. You're so blinded by arrogance. You cannot imagine a world in which you are hated, but it's already here.

You've misread my comment pretty aggressively. Then again, this is about the level of discourse I typically get from "amerikkka bad" commenters, so I guess I'm not surprised. Anyways, China is trying to invade other nations, so that's a super moot point.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by zmgsabst »

calmworm wrote: post #320
zmgsabst wrote: post #147

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Sure — but the UK or EU has to accept the constant rhetoric of “you clearly don’t support free speech, you block freedom.gov” when discussing with the US. I don’t think it’s meant to be a perfect solution; I think it’s meant to be a political tool. Also, the US does fund Tor — originally US Navy + DARPA, now through Dept of State. Entirely possible that they’ll eventually operate a Tor onion site for freedom.gov too.

This is grade-school level mind games. Is it really that easy?

Late reply, but it’s not about mind games so much as rhetorical artifacts to actuate the levers of power.

When the US issues reports saying the EU is actively working against US values both within the US and globally, that report can be elevated by later US administrations to justify military drawdowns, exiting NATO, etc. The EU should produce counter artifacts demonstrating they do align with US values, but instead they responded as if this was a power struggle.

Your comment about “mind games” suggests too simple an interpretation:

This isn’t about what people believe is true, but what facts are available to the machinery of government policy making — much like litigating semantics and debating evidence inclusion within a court case.

This is about constructing the sentence:

“The EU’s widespread blocking of the freedom.gov free speech platform for the past decade demonstrates a divergence from American values that means NATO no longer functions as an effective vehicle for American vision on the global stage.”

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by refurb »

locknitpicker wrote: post #578
GoblinSlayer wrote: post #499

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That's why diversity of sources is the only way to escape censorship: you get one half truth from one source, another half truth from another source, then two halves make whole truth.

> That's why diversity of sources is the only way to escape censorship: No, it's a page out of the old fascist playbook where flooding the stage with propaganda generates enough confusion to help fascists further their hateful agenda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

I find it hilarious when people who are pro censorship bring up Karl Popper and the Paradox of Tolerance.

You can tell they've never read his work because his conclusion in the end is that you should tolerate intolerance up and until it promotes specific violence.

So total freedom of speech up and until it starts inciting violence. It's basically the same stance the US Constitution has.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by refurb »

iso1631 wrote: post #692
Waterluvian wrote: post #41

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It’s a clear way to project soft power: make sure your message and culture can get through.

Yet the US president unilaterally shut down Voice of America because he didn't like its message Freedom of speech for me, not for thee

Huh? Voice of America is a basically a government organization blasting out US propaganda.

The president runs VOA, it's not some separate entity he decided to censor.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by herbst »

Aerroon wrote: post #981
herbst wrote: post #496

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This. I regularly face geo blocks from American websites. Like literally at least once a week. It's very common for whatever reason for smaller US shops, newspapers any size and other random sites.

The geoblocks happened because of our (EU) governments making punitive rules of the website doesn't follow European standards. It's easier for an American website targeted at Americans to just not bother with Europeans.

That may explains the news sites with thousands of cookies and tracking bullshit, but it doesn't explain small brick and mortar stores blocking traffic
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