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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by driverdan »

yencabulator wrote: post #979
vetrom wrote: post #971

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The only trims I see online at gmc dot com are RWD. Would you elucidate on this 4x4 option please?

There was some noise about an "Outland Edition" coming out in 2026 but all I can find now is AI slop, so maybe that's not real or maybe that's not done yet. It could also be just a further deal with Quigley. You can already order from a dealer with the 4x4 option, and your vehicle will go factory->Quigley->dealer and be sold to you as "new", with good warranties.

Quigley is the main 4x4 conversion company I was referring to in my reply. It's about $20k.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by quickthrowman »

mrexroad wrote: post #485
alexjplant wrote: post #183

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> A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one The modern US pickup truck isn't built for utility. It's a $60,000 four-door lifted luxobarge with leather interior and a short bed. It signals (perceived) wealth while preserving working-class alignment. It can also be justified by way of having to pick up used furniture for TikTok refinish and flip projects or bim…

Bingo. Sprinter vans, utility vans, or even minivans are far, far more useful for trades than modern pickups. Heck, my minivan was the goat for home renovations—it’d easily fit a dozen full 4x8 sheets of drywall/osb/ply/mdf/etc and I could still close the rear gate. I always got chuckles from guys awkwardly wrangling/securing sheets onto a pickup’s bed at the supply yard when I’d easily slide the sheets off the cart…

Nobody drives sheet goods around in a pickup or a work van with any sort of regularity.

There are only two trades that use sheet goods: drywall and carpentry. Most of the time they’re getting dozens or hundreds of sheets delivered to a job site.

What are you going to do with (12) 32 sq ft pieces of sheet goods anyways, put up drywall in a half of a bedroom or reroof a quarter of a garage?

If you really want to do this, you’ll get a roof rack for hauling sheet goods.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by Reason077 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #82
grouchomarx wrote: post #20

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>I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics That and also it's just a bad product. >That said, even though it's not to my taste, I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one edit: agree there's a market…

>A pickup truck should just be max utility, The problem is as soon as you go EV, you use a lot of utility from the get go. With a truck specifically, because its a brick aerodynamically. There is no reason to buy a Cybertruck or Lightning when you can get a gas or hybrid F150 (or a Raptor) for a little bit more, and be able to sit at 80 mph on highways without worrying about range. The biggest suprise about the light…

> "The biggest suprise about the lightning is that Ford didn't put in a gas engine in it as a range extender."

From a manufacturing perspective, adding a range extender does add a lot of cost and complexity. And from an ownership perspective it adds a lot of service, maintenance and reliability considerations that you don't have with a pure EV.

But in any case, this is exactly what they're doing: replacing the Lightning with a range extender ("EREV") plug-in hybrid. But a new all-electric truck based on Ford's upcoming, cheaper "Universal EV platform" is also due in 2027.

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Post by NoLinkToMe »

morshu9001 wrote: post #925
NoLinkToMe wrote: post #910

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I think OP has it right. Tesla with lowest range has 430km, highest range 650. Let's average it to 500km. The average American driver drives 60km per day. In other words you need to charge less than every 8 days. You can charge to 80% in about 20-30 minutes. In other words if you find yourself near a charge (easy) for 20-30 minutes a week (easy), then on average there is no range issue. You're either in a rural area…

Sure, I'm not saying the EV is infeasible, just that the "full tank every morning" part is only for homeowners. That's what the 99% footnote was on.

My bad!

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Post by Auracle »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #133
mdavid626 wrote: post #22

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I disagree that EV-s are held back by misconceptions. More their price and range.

Range is the misconception, because people view range through the "sit and fill up then drive till empty" paradigm. That is not how EVs work or how they should be used. They should be charged overnight/when you are doing something else, and on road trips should be charged to align with other stops even if those stops are 10 minutes. It's rare that I have ever done the "sit in the car for 40 minutes waiting for charge…

It’s easy to say that EV charging on long trips should align with other stops until you factor in kids. Doing a normal 2-3 hour one way trip with kids is already not fun, I don’t want to pull over for them to pee 20 minutes before I need to sit and let the thing charge for 30 minutes.

Nevermind the fact that there are very, very few EVs suitable for anyone with more than 2 kids.

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Post by JPKab »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #693
JPKab wrote: post #575

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Nonsense? Yeah, you're right, the US Federal government is a peak engine of efficiency and it's nonsense to think massive sums of money are wasted.

You just made a massive non sequitur. The government does have waste, as does any large organization, including in the private sector. Whether or not DOGE saved money needs an independent analysis, not numbers which DOGE itself produces. Musk and Trump cut a large number of jobs and declared, without any evidence, that it was all fraud and waste. For example, they dismissed everyone who was in a probationary period,…

I witnessed massive fraud first hand in the DoD and the VA (the area this gumroad guy was dealing with) as a Booz Allen contractor.

I worked directly with fraudulent shell 8a firms (literally a big white dude made his Filipino American wife the CEO of like 6 people and then subcontracted to my team with a direct award minority woman owned business contract valued at a $100m).

I witnessed massive waste by VA employees at the joint MHS/VA hospital in North Chicago, IL (they sandbagged an expensive IT modernization that was trying to reduce wait times because it was going to put a bunch of local VA sys admins out of work by shifting to a gov cloud data center).

You don't know what your talking about. You don't have first hand knowledge. Nobody on the ground for years in the Federal sector agrees with you or the gumroad guy. They agree with me.

My twin brother worked at a "Native Owned" defense contractor in Arlington, and literally never saw a Native American in their office a single time. There were employees with Washington Redskins merch everywhere and nobody cared because they KNEW that the single tribe that collected the checks at the top was never going to see the office. They just subbed out work to the big consulting firms anyway.

I have endless examples from working in the beltway for 10 years. Sorry that reality doesn't line up with your political tribal beliefs.

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Post by switchbak »

nospice wrote: post #269
switchbak wrote: post #93

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Oh sure, but look at the vast popularity of these monstrosities that never even see gravel. I get how you (and I) find that abhorrent, but there's clearly LOTS of folks that find a blinged out useless luxury pretend truck to be very attractive. I was in the market for a pickup recently. I had wanted to like the Cybertruck, but ... too damn ugly, too version 0.3, too many dweebs driving them, too many teething issues…

> Oh sure, but look at the vast popularity of these monstrosities that never even see gravel. Normal-sized pickups aren't meant for offroading.

Say what?

A decent SUV can get you by in a pinch. A “normal sized” truck, is exactly what you take off road - yes you might have to do some modding, upgrades, but I don’t understand this take. And I’ve been around many a truck at the top of a gnarly mountain.

I must be misunderstanding what you’re saying here. Even rock crawlers aren’t typically using F250 and larger truck sizes.

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Post by jahsome »

Aurornis wrote: post #750
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As someone who's just been trying to buy a crappy used truck to haul some crap to the dump a couple times a year, you're absolutely spot on. I even live in the southwest US where trucks make up a considerable portion of vehicles on the road. Crappy used trucks simply aren't up for sale. And even the rare listing I do come across, the asking price is ridiculously inflated.

> As someone who's just been trying to buy a crappy used truck to haul some crap to the dump a couple times a year, I don’t get it. Why would you buy, maintain, and park an entire second vehicle for something that is beyond trivially cheap to hire out? If you wanted to DIY then renting a truck for the day makes more sense.

Trivially cheap, huh? Wish I were so lucky.

Renting a vehicle invites bureaucratic nonsense. For my personal situation, I need it ready to go at virtually a moments notice or I'll simply just avoid the chore.

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Post by aj7 »

analog31 wrote: post #679
jrjeksjd8d wrote: post #674

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I have a 2018 Forester and it holds a surprising amount of furniture or 8' lumber. My only regret is that it won't fit 4x8 sheet materials well - if only they had designed the interior plastic cladding a little better it would be a great workhorse.

I remember my 1982 Toyota Corolla wagon had an obvious cut-out in the plastic interior, that was just a hair wider than a 4x8 sheet. I still miss that car.

Try buying a compact Toyota pickup without the extra row of seats. The last one was made in 2015. They sell for more than the price of new for mileage < 100k.

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Post by Denkel »

user34283 wrote: post #774
autoexec wrote: post #605

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> You're labeling someone a "Nazi nut job" over nothing. Nothing except his antisemitic tweets, his posts defending Hitler, his support of Alternative for Germany, his support of prominent white supremacists, his chatbot which praises Hitler, his endorsement of racist conspiracies, and the occasional "Sieg Heil". What exactly would "something" look like to you? Being morally superior to that is an exceptionally low b…

The man is officially a dear friend of Israel, he has never defended Hitler, he indeed supports the German far right party, his chatbot had an alignment issue that has been patched within 16 hours. What you call a "Sieg heil" was an innocent hand gesture made once, and that hoax has been debunked by both the anti defamation league and the Israeli PM personally. You know this, yet you cannot let go of your hate.

I know you are not to be listened to when you dare say "innocent hand gesture made once", when he very clearly made it twice in a row; front, turn and repeat: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/R_6dVlz6mug

That is there, recorded, and you are telling me to ignore what I see.

I know you won't care, this video is not for you, is there in case anyone else starts to belive your lies, they can see for themselves.

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