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The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by seec »

fzeindl wrote: post #592
iLemming wrote: post #185

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One of the most annoying things after installing Tahoe for me, that for no good reason an ordinary app would randomly lose its focus. In the midst of my typing. This is unbelievably preposterous and I just can't stop hating Apple for this crap. How the fuck this is acceptable? I just have no words. What makes it even worse that I couldn't even complain about it on their support pages - they just keep removing my comm…

That is incidentally one of the many papercuts that are widely accepted in Windows, but never were a problem on a mac. Don’t try to interact with a windows desktop while it is still booting up. Better to wait for everything to settle down, otherwise apps will constantly snatch away focus and your typing will go into random applications.

Macs have largely been the same. It is just a matter of buzy compute and letting all the accumulated tasks complete.

When you buy powerfull computers, this problem basically doesn't exist, both on Windows or macOS. Since Macs have historically been more expensive and premium, even the cheaper model was powerfull enough to finish the boot sequence fast enough that the desktop would feel snappy almost instantly. On the other hand, cheap PCs struggle to accomplish every task in a timely manner.

I am amazed about how stupid and ignorant is the average Mac fanboy. I have been a Mac user first and foremost, but you guys are just full of shit.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by VerifiedReports »

halapro wrote: post #434
VerifiedReports wrote: post #320

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The removal of Launchpad was an inexplicable blunder. The OS now provides no way to organize your applications. Why would I want my dev tools, audio apps, 3-D-modeling apps, and office apps all jumbled together? It's as if Apple is trying to catch up to Microsoft in the race to regress.

They want you to search. I probably have 200 apps on my phone and their automatic categorization is good enough for me. Most common ones I just search anyway.

How do you search for applications you don't remember the name of?

And Apple's categorization is trash, a huge regression. There is absolutely no advantage to anything offered now over Spotlight, which not only allowed FASTER search (because it only searched applications), but allowed you to group applications as you saw fit (which didn't preclude an OPTION to have Apple do it).

It also allowed you to launch several applications faster, because it kept your last-used group open. For example, if I sat down to do some development, I opened my Dev Tools group and could launch the four applications I typically use together with only eight clicks.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by VerifiedReports »

EagnaIonat wrote: post #497
halapro wrote: post #434

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They want you to search. I probably have 200 apps on my phone and their automatic categorization is good enough for me. Most common ones I just search anyway.

It works great on phone, on the operating system there are numerous applications that you don't care about.

Exactly, so why would you want to make users scroll through all of them?

Mac OS comes with something like 80 apps out of the box. I have over 200 on my system, and I'm pretty stingy with space. I immediately delete stuff I try and don't like.

So the noobs who know nothing about Spotlight typically come back with some absurd suggestion like "put a shortcut to the Applications folder in your dock."

Um.. no. Not even close.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by VerifiedReports »

EagnaIonat wrote: post #496
VerifiedReports wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The removal of Launchpad was an inexplicable blunder. The OS now provides no way to organize your applications. Why would I want my dev tools, audio apps, 3-D-modeling apps, and office apps all jumbled together? It's as if Apple is trying to catch up to Microsoft in the race to regress.

> The removal of Launchpad was an inexplicable blunder. It wasn't a blunder. It was absolutely intentional to force users to start using the AI component. I suspect someone probably pointed out no one would use it because launchpad has a better UX, so they removed it and forced the three finger pinch to launch spotlight. I'm currently using the following to fix it. - Bug in preferences that disabling show home also d…

Yes, because of simply going to my Utils folder in Launchpad, I want to launch Spotlight (someday) and type in:

"Open the SD-card data-recovery application I installed a few years ago"

So elegant!

Oh look, right now on the HN front page is an article about why this sucks: https://tidepool.leaflet.pub/3mcbegnuf2k2i

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by seec »

danans wrote: post #461

Overlapping windows seem like a dated skeumorphic paradigm at this point. I almost never want to see just part of a window. For a long time, I've found that either full screen or tiling (driven by keyboard shortcuts) is a far less frustrating a way to interact with windows, so I almost never use window-resizing. Window resizing is also horrendous when you try to do it with a touchpad.

Agreed. The problem is that native window management is pretty bad in macOS. And the 3rd party tools solving the problem aren't that great on top of being expensive sometimes.

Apple could fix it, but instead they made overlapping windows for iPadOS, which is even dumber considering the smaller display area.

I think it doesn't matter what they do; part of their clientele is fully captive, another part is only there for the status, and the last part is just using it rudimentally, so anything is OK.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by upboundspiral »

72deluxe wrote: post #953
zecg wrote: post #705

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I feel like people who say this haven't seen KDE in a very long time. On a thinkpad it not only "just works", it works flawlessly, never demands attention without justification (i.e. no ads or superfluous items in notifications), every bit of hardware works, all the special keys, fingerprint reader and it's all recognized and usable and configurable from KDE.

Is there any particular distro you're using KDE on for this to work flawlessly on a Thinkpad? I have a Carbon Gen 6 on Windows 10 but one day will need to migrate. The device itself is sound and reliable.

fedora / fedora immutable (the aurora project under the universalblue umbrella has a really nice batteries included setup). Fingerprint reader, backlight, etc, everything works (at least for my thinkpads). I think any recent model everything should work out of the box.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by sumo89 »

corndoge wrote: post #782
sumo89 wrote: post #603

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I recently built a windows PC again for gaming. Haven't used one for years. Everything's fresh, loads of room on hard drives etc and still sometimes it'll just be weird and needs a reset. But it doesn't surprise me, it's sad we've come to tolerate that from the world's most popular OS.

As an aside, unless you are playing games that need NT kernel anticheat or are using a store other than steam, odds are the overall experience and performance is better on linux at this point.

Yeah it's just the kernel anti-cheat now which is keeping me on windows. I'm fully ready to swap to linux but unfortunately I do like to play games that need it.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by sumo89 »

lostlogin wrote: post #894
sumo89 wrote: post #603

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I recently built a windows PC again for gaming. Haven't used one for years. Everything's fresh, loads of room on hard drives etc and still sometimes it'll just be weird and needs a reset. But it doesn't surprise me, it's sad we've come to tolerate that from the world's most popular OS.

> the world's most popular OS. No. Most common? Loathed? Used? Most tolerated? It’s not liked, and ‘popular’ implies that.

Popular as in populous as in numerical

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by kraai »

Maken wrote: post #714
pentagrama wrote: post #353

This feels like a surprisingly good moment for Linux desktops to position themselves as real alternatives and actually gain ground. MacOS Tahoe has been heavily criticized for its UI decisions, especially Liquid Glass, which many people feel actively hurts usability rather than improving it. On the other side, Windows keeps piling on user-hostile features, dark patterns, and friction that increasingly frustrate power…

GNOME has exactly the same quirky behavior with rounded windows, where the drop shadow is actually the clickable area to resize the window.

Exactly, I was reading this on CachyOS Gnome. I was like, wait a minute, I've this exact same issue for years on Gnome (maybe on KDE as well, not sure).

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by danans »

seec wrote: post #985
danans wrote: post #461

Overlapping windows seem like a dated skeumorphic paradigm at this point. I almost never want to see just part of a window. For a long time, I've found that either full screen or tiling (driven by keyboard shortcuts) is a far less frustrating a way to interact with windows, so I almost never use window-resizing. Window resizing is also horrendous when you try to do it with a touchpad.

Agreed. The problem is that native window management is pretty bad in macOS. And the 3rd party tools solving the problem aren't that great on top of being expensive sometimes. Apple could fix it, but instead they made overlapping windows for iPadOS, which is even dumber considering the smaller display area. I think it doesn't matter what they do; part of their clientele is fully captive, another part is only there fo…

> Agreed. The problem is that native window management is pretty bad in macOS. And the 3rd party tools solving the problem aren't that great on top of being expensive sometimes.

Linux desktops have great ground-up support for tiling window management, whether as an optional behavior (Gnome/KDE/ChromeOS), or strict tile enforcement (i3/xMonad).

> I think it doesn't matter what they do; part of their clientele is fully captive, another part is only there for the status, and the last part is just using it rudimentally, so anything is OK.

It's too bad even technologists often fall into those categories these days.

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