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Do people not understand that companies on this scale are geopolitically important?
Maybe that's the way it is in the US, because the country is run by corporations. But in the rest of the world we don't operate like that.
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so CF is clear - if the law is not changed they'll leave italian market. That's fair
And he is more than welcome to do so. The services provided by Cloudflare can easily be replaced by more local providers that have no problem complying with Italian laws. The takedown might not happen within 30 minutes, but there would still be action and a response to a report from the authorities. Italy and Europe do not need the arrogance of those who believe they are above the law by virtue of a freedom that is u…
Italy and Europe do not have the right to censor the internet for the rest of the world.
Cloudflare is not "arrogant" to threaten pulling out of Italy if fined 2x their revenue in the country.
I would argue that "arrogance" is some tiny vacation destination thinking they can censor the planet ;)
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EU can't build so if they firewall themselves from the US they'll just have a pretty empty Internet.
The other night I was thinking about graphene. Not the OS, the material. ‘We considered patenting; we prepared a patent and it was nearly filed. Then I had an interaction with a big, multinational electronics company. I approached a guy at a conference and said, “We’ve got this patent coming up, would you be interested in sponsoring it over the years?” It’s quite expensive to keep a patent alive for 20 years. The guy…
But you have to keep in mind that this is the same as not being able to get stuff done :) Economies don't exist in a vacuum.
If a US company can buy an EU company out,
* business conditions in the EU are not favorable enough for people to want to grow their business in the EU (they would rather sell to the US);
* there are no EU companies that are competitive enough to counteroffer (meaning the EU has not created an environment to grow competitive businesses).
"Getting stuff done" isn't determined in a vacuum, so unless the EU totally isolates its economy it has to deal with the fact that it needs to actually encourage innovation and business to be competitive and "get stuff done" on the world stage.
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> The NUCLEAR threat regarding the 2026 Winter Olympics (Milano-Cortina) is the real leverage here. He’s bypassing the regulator and putting a gun to the government’s head regarding national prestige and infrastructure security. Kind of wild that a private company has that kind of power, both in terms of being one of the few that can offer this service and they can make threats at this level.
> Kind of wild that a private company has that kind of power Also kind of wild that it’s a private US company pushing their current political views on another sovereign state. Cloudflare as a political tool of leverage is a level of dystopia we really should try not to unlock.
A person praising Vance and Musk obviously doesn't value due process, judicial oversight and ultimately decency.
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The are fining his company 213% of yearly Italian revenue. He is not the one escalating.
He took a risk in ignoring a law instead of exiting the market. They did not escalate, they applied the law. What we need is an international legal framework for the Internet. And that includes compromises on all sides. China, EU, Russia, US and others have very different understanding on what is right. But hey, I think US politics is America first and cancel all international treaties. Sounds like more problems like…
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banning them outside of italy is evil. Fining 200% of revenue from italy is evil too
Banning them or not banning them has nothing to do with evil, it has to do with due process. CF complies with lawful protection against piracy or gets tfo. For me, throwing a tantrum on twitter, riling people up and telling daddy elon doesn't change any of these definitions.
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part of democracy is being free to criticize. And their threat to leave italian market is fair too
Part of democracy is that the people of that country get to criticize their own government. It is anti-democratic for a wealthy and powerful individual of a foreign country to undermine a democratically instituted governmental organization. Italians get to have a voice in the governance of Italy and criticize their own government, that's democracy. We just had our democracy destroyed by another billionaire, quite fra…
Even a foreign entity can criticize another local entity. That's part of democracy too. Just like warning you'll leave the country if things aren't changed
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so CF is clear - if the law is not changed they'll leave italian market. That's fair
And he is more than welcome to do so. The services provided by Cloudflare can easily be replaced by more local providers that have no problem complying with Italian laws. The takedown might not happen within 30 minutes, but there would still be action and a response to a report from the authorities. Italy and Europe do not need the arrogance of those who believe they are above the law by virtue of a freedom that is u…