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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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There are many issues raised with the report, including it omits the invasion by the government of Gaza, Hamas, on 7 October 2023 entirely, and it omits that the Israeli army is fighting the army of Gaza, the Qasam brigades, who had 40,000 salaried fighters (pre-war), have fired thousands of missiles, developed hundreds of kilometres of tunnels specifically for urban warfare, and subverted public and private infrastr…

Is it actually relevant? It's not about why israel fights but about how they fight. The report is not about the conflict at large but about how exactly israel is handling day to day operations.

Genocide is about intent. The party must be acting with intent to destroy the nation or group.

So yes, it's about why they fight.

Here's another rebuttal: https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/22/opinio...

By the definition of genocide, it's actually Hamas that is genocidal. See: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/israel-law-review/ar... or the discussion on https://old.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1nm3jk8/genocide_is... for a lay interpretation with remarks from a Genocide scholar.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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It seems relevant that in the mid-90s the Israeli hard right reacted to the possibly of peaceful by engaging in some highly effective political assassinations which successfully restarted the cycle of violence, setting the stage for Netanyahu to prevent the two state solution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin

By that measure we could identify the decades of Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians as preventing a two-state, one-state, or any other solution.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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> Remove exception to AIPAC political status > Reevaluate AIPAC non profit status entirely What would that achieve? AIPAC is a domestic organization. Their members are US citizens and permanent residents, making individual political donations of their own free will. AIPAC vets candidates for their support of Israel, and individual donors rely on them to make an informed decision. But ultimately it is their decision,…

>You may not like that some US citizens prioritize support for Israel in their donations. That doesn't give you the right to suppress their donations. It's quite simple, treat Israel like Russia. Same tools are available for any nation which commits atrocities under the watchful guise of the mighty, moral, USA.

My point is that you should tell that to the US-based individuals who choose to donate to pro-Israel candidates, or donate to other candidates yourself (if you're legally allowed to), instead of attacking their ability to exercise their right to donate.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #981

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Is it actually relevant? It's not about why israel fights but about how they fight. The report is not about the conflict at large but about how exactly israel is handling day to day operations.

Genocide is about intent. The party must be acting with intent to destroy the nation or group. So yes, it's about why they fight. Here's another rebuttal: https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/22/opinio... By the definition of genocide, it's actually Hamas that is genocidal. See: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/israel-law-review/ar... or the discussion on https://old.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/…

> Genocide is about intent. The party must be acting with intent to destroy the nation or group

True, but provocation does not mitigate genocidal intent.

> By the definition of genocide, it's actually Hamas that is genocidal.

Hamas being genocidal, or even committing genocide, has no relevance to whether or not Israel is connitting genocide.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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I more or less agree with you (if it were a _genocide_, you'd expect Israel to be equally targeting Palestinians in the West Bank and in Israel proper), but the report does have some specific examples of things that seem to go beyond "just" urban warfare. For example, Israel denied shipments of baby milk powder, which can serve no legitimate military purpose (except trying to prosecute the war via starvation of babie…

> Israel denied shipments of baby milk powder “Yesterday, armed individuals approached four trucks outside our compound in Gaza City that were getting ready to transport desperately needed Ready-to-Use Therapeutic Food (RUTF) for malnourished children enduring famine." https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/statement-unicef-theft... This must have been done by the Jews of Gaza. Wait...

This is a different incident (RUTF is not milk powder, it's enhanced peanut butter basically). Both sides are bad, and both should do more to alleviate the suffering of civilians in areas they occupy.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #983

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>You may not like that some US citizens prioritize support for Israel in their donations. That doesn't give you the right to suppress their donations. It's quite simple, treat Israel like Russia. Same tools are available for any nation which commits atrocities under the watchful guise of the mighty, moral, USA.

My point is that you should tell that to the US-based individuals who choose to donate to pro-Israel candidates, or donate to other candidates yourself (if you're legally allowed to), instead of attacking their ability to exercise their right to donate.

The point is, donations from an active vocal minority aren't the only way to deal with the problem of subjugation of one government to another, especially when those governments are in the process of committing heinous acts of terror, war crimes, and crimes against humanity at massive scale.

If it works on Russia, it'll work for Israel.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Y'all smart hackers be discussing it like its your life on the line here, but this conflict is of 2 people - Israel vs Palestine, and its an existential conflict for both of us.

This investigation raises concerns that are already voiced by some Israeli groups, but it fails to capture the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. For example, did you know that about 20% of Israel's population are Palestinians, with many living in huge houses, built on their ancestral land, and drive fancy cars that I could never even afford as an Israeli with an average income. (BTW I'm not Jewish but it doesn't really matter for my point.) At the same time their impoverished brothers in Gaza employ warfare methods which were/are also used by ISIS, Taliban, Syria and Iraq. Methods that exploit standard war 'etiquette'. Seemingly, International Court and the UN fail to address such manipulations, which are disregarded by most, to the point its just frustrating to witness.

Gaza has become a nest of extremism. Palestinians are far more united by hate to Israel and desire to revenge rather than nationalism. Its nothing new. Always been and most likely will stay this way. I know that the 2 state solution is the most proposed idea by foreigners for a 'middle east utopia', but this devastating pathos cannot be the foundation for a Palestinian country in a 2 state solution.

I do not know what exactly is the solution. I am most certainly sure it does not include genocide of Palestinians. But what I do know is that they must turn back on extremism, hate and terrorism in order for us to progress towards real peace, healing, and a solution that will grant both people cooperation, trade, prosperity. Judea/Samaria and Gazan Palestinians must learn from their Israeli relatives, to understand that hate, revenge and terror will only lead to more suffering. I think most of Israelis understand it this way. I also think most Israelis are frustrated because of Palestinian ideology and pathos do not shift, but actually escalate with time.

A curious person asked me: 'if they would not yield, can't you guys yield in order for this perpetual escalation to end?' I told him this is a nice idea but meanwhile Israel showed compromises for the Palestinian cause and it backfired each time, with Palestinians exploiting diplomatic attempts in order to incite hate, revenge and devastation: Gaza Disengagement (2005) - Unilateral withdrawal of all settlers and military from the Gaza Strip, dismantling 21 settlements. - Hamas claimed credit for "forcing Israel out", which boosted its popularity. - Within a year, Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections (2006). - After the 2007 Hamas–Fatah split, Hamas took full control of Gaza, and rocket fire into southern Israel intensified.

Oslo Accords (1993–1995) - Israel recognized the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people; withdrew from parts of the West Bank and Gaza; allowed the creation of the Palestinian Authority (PA). What actually happened: Israel transferred control of cities like Jericho, Gaza, Ramallah to the PA. But the PA failed to prevent militant groups (Hamas, Islamic Jihad) from launching suicide bombings inside Israel during the 1990s.

Hebron Protocol (1997) - Israel Withdrew from 80% of Hebron, leaving only a small enclave under Israeli military presence. But violence persisted, with shootings and clashes continuing. Hebron became a flashpoint, requiring heavy ongoing Israeli military presence despite partial withdrawal.

Palestinians would argue the “backfire” narrative ignores that these concessions were partial, fragmented, and often unilateral. But actually what it is - a lack of ability to impose sovereignty and excess of corruption in the case of PA. Greed for power and will to exploit any 'gesture of good will' in the case of Hamas. This is not diplomacy. This is not the foundation for the 2 state solution I wish to see someday. They must change in order for it to happen. Death and bloodshed on both sides will only continue if we head this way.

I am curious to hear your take and vision regarding the 2 state solution, and how do you think we can get there?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #983

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>You may not like that some US citizens prioritize support for Israel in their donations. That doesn't give you the right to suppress their donations. It's quite simple, treat Israel like Russia. Same tools are available for any nation which commits atrocities under the watchful guise of the mighty, moral, USA.

My point is that you should tell that to the US-based individuals who choose to donate to pro-Israel candidates, or donate to other candidates yourself (if you're legally allowed to), instead of attacking their ability to exercise their right to donate.

This is a highly simplistic look at the facts. It is clear that these are not just citizens funding local candidates.

Also, they are advocating for a foreign nation. Under FARA rules they should be registered as forein agents.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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One party had a long leash. The other cut the leash and yelled attaboy. Now acting mildly concerned when the neighbour downstreet (Qatar) got their chickens bombed.

Why shouldn't Hamas leadership be bombed wherever they may be? They're the leaders of a terrorist organization. The US takes out terrorists wherever they may be (or, works with local authorities to get them first). But, when local authorities are siding with the terrorists, we go in there and do it ourselves. October 7th was Israel's 9/11 - we went and got bin Laden in Pakistan, without dealing with the Pakistani gov…

Well because Israel asked them to come to Qatar for mediation. From Turkey.

Where they can't attack because it is a NATO member.

It was duplicitous move that not only put an end to any good faith negotiations, but also attacke a mediator in a negotiation. The hostages are dead and the Israeli military killed them.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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It is incredibly interesting how the US (and Germany) have put so much into Israel and associated groups they really don't want it to fail (despite the Israeli gov doing their damnest to facilitate just that). In my understanding Israel, in the eyes of the US, is a convenient "wedge" in the Arab space that allows for easier power projection in the area, plus they have a healthy amount of zionists close to money and p…

It is high time that we accept that the people in power are not sensible. That the world is run by a bunch of apocalyptic death cult, living out evangelical fantasies.

There is no other reasonable explanation. They have nothing to gain anymore.

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