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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Am I wrong in thinking this guy isn't/wasn't a very influential person, outside of Twitter and the people that stay on there 24/7? If so, why even target the poor guy? What change was the person who shot him hoping to elicit? Either way, I hope he makes it, even though it looks like it was a fatal blow

He's being martyred on purpose. I wonder what people both sides-ing it on HN would do in the 1940s....

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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post #902

There was a school shooting on the same day as Kirk's death: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/students-wounded-shooti... If he were still alive, he would be writing and speaking about how such violence is unfortunate but ultimately acceptable— even necessary— to "preserve our freedoms", brushing it aside to be forgotten. He of course did so many times in life, notably in 2023 when he was quoted doing so in the me…

> If he were still alive, he would be writing and speaking about how such violence is unfortunate but ultimately acceptable— even necessary— to "preserve our freedoms" He would have really advocated for violence, or school shootings? That seems odd. It is way different from "gun deaths are worth having the 2nd amendment".

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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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post #676

I don't want to live in a place where people are killed for expressing opinions I consider highly offensive and damaging.

You should move out of the US if you're here, since political violence is a cornerstone of this country since day 1. How people are acting like this is unique are really baffling to me.

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My theory on this and other recent shootings of this type: it is driven by the over medication of our youth, convincing them something is wrong with them for not wanting to sit still in factory schools. Our medical understanding of the drugs prescribed to kids that affect their brains is far smaller than it should be for how pervasive these drugs have become.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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post #902

There was a school shooting on the same day as Kirk's death: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/students-wounded-shooti... If he were still alive, he would be writing and speaking about how such violence is unfortunate but ultimately acceptable— even necessary— to "preserve our freedoms", brushing it aside to be forgotten. He of course did so many times in life, notably in 2023 when he was quoted doing so in the me…

I'm very late to this thread, because I just didn't have anything I felt was valuable. But now i have. At first I also had thr reaction of thinking "he asked for it" , and all that schadenfreude feeling. However, now I think it was a great loss and hope the killer gets the whole extent of the law. See, in a society that is tending more and more to the extremes, polarization and radicalism, we NEED people to TALK. Bei…

I don’t disagree with your point overall but the sad reality is that Charlie Kirk was not there to have a discussion. He went around trolling people and provoking big responses at universities so he could farm it out on social media. A huge part of his income was being a troll.

That does not mean he deserved to die. He didn’t. But he did not die undergoing some noble endeavor or engaging in free speech in some profoundly brave way.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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post #286

But we have to make an effort in the United States. We have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond, or go beyond these rather difficult times. My favorite poem, my -- my favorite poet was Aeschylus. And he once wrote: "Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God." What we need in the Uni…

> what we need in the United States is not hatred What saddens me is people take different political views as hatred, and medias run with it. I can't remember how many times a person is labeled fascist or communist just because their views are different.

Do you think some political opinions can be hateful
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