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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjmlp »

leoc wrote: post #978
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Contrary to HN folks, I habe no issues with Oracle, it is my favourite database engine. Also it was the only company that cared to buy Sun. People love to hate it, everyone praises Sun, yet in the end no one felt it was worth rescuing, not even Google, that could have taken advantage to finally control Java. I guess most would rather have seen Java die in version 6, and Maxime VM ideas never becoming mainstream, or t…

IBM did bid, but Oracle jumped in with a higher offer. Supposedly (IIRC) the Sun leadership had wanted and expected IBM to buy Sun but didn't feel it could refuse the higher bid. Aside from Java Google would surely have been a very awkward fit with Sun, as Google was basically the poster child for never buying anything from Sun.

Yes, and they decided to widthraw almost as quick as they did the offer.

And no one else did, I also bet HNers would appreciate IBM being the new owner just as they appreciate Oracle.

Regardless of the tiny detail that when Java came to be, the two companies that joined Sun's efforts right away, with Java support on their OSes, databases and thin client efforts, were exactly Oracle and IBM.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by speeder »

schuyler2d wrote: post #856
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The fact you still only got bothered by studio acquisitions show you don't even noticed the studio closures... MS fired thousands of gamedevs in the last few weeks, cancelled a lot of games, including games the execs liked to play the prototypes, cancelled publishing deals, and even closed entire studios, some of them literally successful that had just released profitable products.

In the profitable cases (and maybe just as open offer), why not just sell them back to their staff/former owner? There's no point to keep the IP of games that are shuttered. Maybe the offer was made and a bunch didn't take it?

I don't think MS considered any of this. For example there were situations were they had a meeting giving green light one day, and cancelled the next.

Seemly what happened is that MS high-level decision makers, concluded that MS need a lot of cash for AI research, and decided to mass-close studios and cancel games with little verification, just go firing people until the cash liberated for AI is enough, doesn't matter if those people gave even greater revenue recently.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by theptip »

qnleigh wrote: post #786
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Yeah exactly. The MacBook Pro is by far the most capable consumer device for local LLM. A beefed up NPU could provide a big edge here. More speculatively, Apple is also one of the few companies positioned to market an ASIC for a specific transformer architecture which they could use for their Siri replacement. (Google has on-device inference too but their business model depends on them not being privacy-focused and t…

I see. It'll be interesting to see how much on-device models take off for consumers, when off-device models will be so much more capable. In the past, the average consumer has typically been happy to trade privacy for better products, but maybe it will be different for llms.

Agreed. I think the latency wins could be meaningful for many of the obvious phone-centric usecases (Siri, app-/browser-enrichment, etc.) but the capability gap is definitely a hindrance.

Privacy is already a key differentiating feature for iPhone which is why I think they will continue to try to make this option viable. (They already do ChatGPT fallback which is a pragmatic concession to the reality that you highlight here.)

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by theptip »

KaiserPro wrote: post #817
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> Google has world-class research teams that have produced unbelievable models, without any plan at all on how those make it into their products beyond forcing a chat window into Google Drive. NotebookLM is a genuinely novel AI-first product. YouTube gaining an “ask a question about this video” button, this is a perfect example of how to sprinkle AI on an existing product. Extremely slow, but the obvious incremental…

> Apple in particular is inexcusable This isn't me defending apple, but, let me play out a little scenario: "hey siri, book me tickets to see tonight's game" "sure thing, champ" > "I have booked the tickets, they are now in your apple wallet" > You buy apple because "it works" (yes, most of that is hype, but the vertical integration is actually good, not great for devs/tinkerers though.) AI just adds in a 10-30% chan…

I agree with this as one reason Apple hasn’t rolled out Apple Intelligence. It’s a fair point.

However, I think it was a strategic blunder to go announce a full guns-blazing release that solves all of these problems, before taking the easier iteration of just making Siri not suck.

If you had the conversational fluency of ChatGPT with a very locked down set of tool calls (maybe no write actions, or maybe it can only propose simple intents that you must manually confirm, and definitely no purchases) I think they would not be perceived to be as far behind.

Nobody has solved the AI personal assistant product. It’s an insanely massive market segment just for consumers. Going after this as your V1 seems like a bad choice to me.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by theptip »

thewebguyd wrote: post #926
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> Apple in particular is inexcusable This isn't me defending apple, but, let me play out a little scenario: "hey siri, book me tickets to see tonight's game" "sure thing, champ" > "I have booked the tickets, they are now in your apple wallet" > You buy apple because "it works" (yes, most of that is hype, but the vertical integration is actually good, not great for devs/tinkerers though.) AI just adds in a 10-30% chan…

> You don't notice with chatGPT, because you expect it to be the dipshit in your pocket. You don't expect apple to be shit. So many people don't realize this for some reason, but I think it's precisely why we haven't seen anything shown at WWDC '24. Apple tried and quickly realized the tech wasn't ready, and letting it run wild on their platforms would do irreparable brand damage. This tech (LLMs) have barely been av…

OpenAI is the fastest growing consumer tech company of all time. The big guys have to move at what for them is breakneck speed, just to have a chance at retaining their market share.

They will be swept away if they sit and wait a couple years for some uppity startup to build the AI disruptor and eat their lunch.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by cdeutsch »

pjmlp wrote: post #340
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Didn't the Xamarin guy became the CEO of GitHub at one point?

One of them, yes. Miguel never did, and is now focused on Swift and Apple.

There was only ever one Xamarin CEO, Nat. Miguel was CTO

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by sunaookami »

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Microsoft made the GitHub UI significantly worse by rewriting everything in React. It's now slow and bloated. Copying text from the file viewer is a nightmare. And never ever look at how GitHub Actions work under the hood, you will wish you never became a developer.

What was it before react? I do remember it being much faster.

I don't think they used a framework, I remember they used a lot of "vanilla JavaScript". They're using Rails after all. Here is a thread from 2022 where they began using React for their (then) new search: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33576722

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Post by Forgeties79 »

lisbbb wrote: post #940
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> Excel single-handedly redeems Microsoft from being a pure drain on human existence Debatable. Excel can't even open CSV files properly. You need to run the import wizard. But loads of people don't do this. They see a file on their desktop and double click it. Why can't double clicking a CSV file just open the import wizard!? (Because they want people to share xlsx files as a data format.)

OMG--we had a worfklow where less-techy folks were supposed to edit a csv, then check it in to github, which would kick off a whole process automatically for them. I kid you not--anyone who edited the csv in Excel would eff the whole file up every single time! They just needed a text editor, which we told them to use, and the changes were literally simple, either editing an existing entry or adding a new entry. Nope,…

Maybe I’m just not understanding the nuances of what you were working on, but is it possible that there was something wrong with the solution if literally every person was screwing it up?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by GabeIsko »

gschoeni wrote: post #965
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How is forejo's git LFS support? I self host gitea (from before the split) but I am considering making the switch. LFS is a must for me though.

How big are your datasets? Working on an Open Source git-lfs replacement called "oxen" if you are interested. https://github.com/Oxen-AI/Oxen

Not working with datasets. Binary files aren't that large, and these tools are generally bad for my use case - because I am not concerned about datasets.

I need to track changes in binary files of very reasonable size. Total repo size is <1GB. But even at these small memory requirements it makes much more sense to self host with LFS. I have written this up too many times on the internet to go into great detail about how LFS isn't perfect and how I wish there was something better, but in practice it has worked extremely well for tracking a small amount of binary files. Kudos to the devs.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by quantumwannabe »

dylan604 wrote: post #906
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In addition to being able to run any regular Windows application, it had the best and most intuitive feeling UX of any tablet in history. Amongst many other features, window management was gesture controlled and Internet Explorer had an alternate UI that moved the tabs to the bottom of the screen to make them easier to reach. Sadly, Windows 10 removed all the good parts of Windows tablet mode, but its ideas were so g…

This feels more like the OS is what you liked. Nothing really about the hardware which this thread is about regarding Microsoft making crap hardware products. Is the hardware so mediocre that the best thing about it was the OS where nothing about the hardware deserves comments? If that's the case, maybe that points to validating Microsoft makes crap hardware being a true comment.

The hardware was good but nothing that an iPad doesn’t have nowadays. It was revolutionary for the time with the detachable keyboard and trackpad and Wacom-like pen. The software was what made it an amazing device though.
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