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U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

#981

How many million of dollars were spent in this spectacle? And to my average American, 50% of who seemingly live paycheck to paycheck, is this what you want your government to be doing? Asking as a Canadian.

I’m a US citizen and I don’t think it was necessary. Israel is doing just fine dismantling Iran in its own. If they can’t reach the underground sites from the air then task special forces to go in and blow them up from the inside. What I think happened is Trump got jealous of Israel’s success and wanted to do something so he could take some credit.

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I think Netanyahu belongs in prison, and Trump, the less said the better, but: couldn't have happened to a nicer unauthorized weapons-grade uranium enrichment facility dug into the side of a mountain hours outside of population centers. If you haven't already, I highly recommend reading up on the GBU-57 "bunker buster" bomb, because it is some Merrie Melodies Acme brand munitions. It's deliberately as heavy as they c…

> unauthorized It's a weird one. I don't disagree with your post, still, what is "approved" nukes? A bunch of countries got them, then decided that no one else is allowed them. Then Israel also got them, also "unauthorized", but countries who don't mind pretend they don't know. In the end there is no authorized and unauthorized nukes, only a calculus of power.

Well don't you know? In the worldview of certain people there are major powers and all other countries have to lick their boots or perish. Whether that major power is the US, China or Russia depends on the particulars, but a surprising amount of people hold that opinion, probably without even being aware of it.

What made me realize that was the people who jumped in defense of Russia, because the people of Ukraine aren't allowed to join EU or NATO, because for some reason the people of a sovereign country have to respect the will of a paranoid neighbour, who wants to keep a "buffer zone" for completely irrational reasons. Who would have invaded? The Belgians?

And I mention the Ukraine because they will surely think:"We should have kept those nukes". And wo can blame them, one of the powers at the Budapest memorandum attacked them while the other two reluctantly sent weapons. So with nukes they would have had better cards.

After this episode the Iran is probably more motivated than ever to get nukes. And who can blame them, they had a good deal with the west, Trump comes along tears it up, can't deal with the consequences of tearing it up, Israel is so comfy the US will dance to its tune they attack and surely the clowns dance. Lesson: don't make deals, these idiots just listen to raw power.

Who loses? Everybody.

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

#984
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I am confused. Iran knew USA would come along one day, and they knew the max capability of the bombs they would drop. So why did they not go a lot deeper/reinforce to a level where the b52 payloads cannot reach.

It's very possible that Iran moved the important stuff off-site before the attacks.

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/22/nx-s1-5441734/satellites-show...

> "The program has been seriously set back, but there's a lot of odds and ends," Albright says. Ultimately he thinks the only way to truly end Iran's nuclear program is through additional nuclear inspections by international monitors and cooperation from the Iranian regime, probably through some kind of diplomatic agreement.

Weird, kinda like what we had with the Iran Nuclear Deal that our president pulled us out of.

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#985

The military industrial complex always wins in the US, even if the whole reason why you get elected is because you were against it. A majestic mockery of democracy.

> The military industrial complex always wins in the US

Sounds like learned helplessness. This is only allowed as long as the governed permit it.

> the whole reason why you get elected is because you were against it.

Not every politician is reducible to a single, cliche hivemind. When the person lacks integrity and a record of telling the truth, it's unwise to believe they will keep all of their promises.

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#986
All those "nice guys" vouching for negotiations — you have absolutely no idea who are we dealing with here.

Only street laws and rules apply to them. They see negotiations as weakness, nothing more. History proved many times - you don't negotiate with tyrans and bloody dictators. Period.

If you have enough brain to crack leetcode puzzles, why can't you nail that?

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#987

One thing about this situation is that makes me reassess my impression of "deep state / military industrial complex". Both Trump and Tulsi Gabbard (pre election) was running a "no war" platform with heavy connotation of "deep state" and wars only serving special interests (including Israel). My impression was that this outsider aspect really bought many libertarian and non-hawk republicans vote. Hell, Gabbard was eve…

You know how the english Queen isn't really holding power? She smiles and nods and gets to live a good life.

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#990

A liberal Israeli friend has told me on a few occasions that Iran is one of the safest places in the Middle East for Christians and Jews to live, work, and raise families as long as they don’t publicly protest against the Iranian government. I have no way of knowing if my friend is correct about this, but with the conflicting news broadcasts in the USA the situation is as confusing as hell. Off topic, but I have star…

That is an absurd take. Your friend's statement, that religious minorities in Iran are safe as long as they don't protest, is basically like a situation of domestic abuse. An abuser might claim their partner is free and happy, as long as they follow the rules and don't speak out. The home may appear peaceful to outsiders, but this "peace" is maintained through fear, control, and the constant threat of violence for an…

> happy, as long as they follow the rules and don't speak out

Whateva happened to the strong, silent type?

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