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Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by jldugger »

rchaud wrote: post #971
jldugger wrote: post #938

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You don't think DOJ will force Google sell chrome? https://www.wired.com/story/the-doj-still-wants-google-to-di...

No, not unless there is a large American buyer already in place. The DOJ did not force Microsoft to sell IE in 2001 either, and back then there was no US software company anywhere near Microsoft's size that would have purchased it. DOJ are not in the business of eliminating a global monopoly if a US company holds said monopoly.

Hear me out: direct listing!

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by tucnak »

ragazzina wrote: post #889
h4ckaerman wrote: post #45

> Googler... Whole things reads like someone leaving a cult. It's ok to be sad about leaving a job but your identity shouldn't be so tied up in it that you're crying in a blog post online. We all lose jobs and we all get on with it. Obviously they're talented and will land fine somewhere. I'm not trying to be mean but it's bad that a person can get upset to this point around a job. The corp isn't caring.

>your identity shouldn't be so tied up in it that you're crying in a blog post online If a personal blog isn't the right place to express distress when being fired, what is a personal blog even for?

For sharing unique ideas

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by piyush_soni »

skybrian wrote: post #711
DannyBee wrote: post #454

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Google is just really bad at this, but seems to think it's not bad at this. It's sad since there is no excuse for it - plenty of companies conduct regular layoffs and role eliminations in more compassionate ways, it would not take much to survey and learn from their practices. Hell, IBM was often more compassionate about layoffs than Google. Some of it they've tried to become more formal about in ways that actually m…

Google didn’t used to be quite so bad at this. Back when they closed the Atlanta office, people there got a lot of notice and opportunity to find another role. The complaints were about not being allowed to go full-time remote. I wonder what changed?

Sundar Pichai. That's what changed. He's one of the most uninspiring tech leaders of today who just wants to run an already established business with more and more ads with some AI sprinkled upon everything. And cost cutting. That's all, that's his entire vision.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

constantcrying wrote: post #966
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #964

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> Another aspect is that salaries are very even across much of the industry, as it is often negotiated by unions Can you specify what country you're drawing these facts from? Europe does not have standard employment law, and I definitely haven't experienced salaries being set by unions or being common across the industry.

Germany in this case. The high tax rates at progressive rates mean that salary increases mean that income after taxes is quite flat. There are also union negotiated rates for pay across much of the industry. Even if you switch employer your pay might remain exactly the same, unless you also get promoted and into a higher level or a different industry. "Flächentarifvertrag" it is called. Obviously this drastically dis…

> Germany in this case. The high tax rates at progressive rates mean that salary increases mean that income after taxes is quite flat.

OK, good to know. I definitely haven't experienced flat income after taxes post salary bump, even though I pay 52% marginal on my income (in Ireland).

> Obviously this drastically disincentivizes hoping employers.

I can totally see that. Is it really that common in tech jobs though? I'd have expected this to be much more common in larger, older companies (like the automotive industry).

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by conartist6 »

I learned this exact lesson 7 years ago now and my reaction, quite similar to yours, started me on journey I am on to this day and which has led me to produce the most impactful technology I'll make in my life

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by constantcrying »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #984
constantcrying wrote: post #966

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Germany in this case. The high tax rates at progressive rates mean that salary increases mean that income after taxes is quite flat. There are also union negotiated rates for pay across much of the industry. Even if you switch employer your pay might remain exactly the same, unless you also get promoted and into a higher level or a different industry. "Flächentarifvertrag" it is called. Obviously this drastically dis…

> Germany in this case. The high tax rates at progressive rates mean that salary increases mean that income after taxes is quite flat. OK, good to know. I definitely haven't experienced flat income after taxes post salary bump, even though I pay 52% marginal on my income (in Ireland). > Obviously this drastically disincentivizes hoping employers. I can totally see that. Is it really that common in tech jobs though? I…

>I can totally see that. Is it really that common in tech jobs

What is a "tech job"? Wouldn't a job where you are designing the electrical/mechanical/software parts of a car be a "tech job"?

Of course this is much more common in older, well established industries. But that is where most of the "tech jobs" are. Germany, especially labor laws, are hostile to start-ups so it is natural that people get employed at these older companies with union negotiated salaries.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by tanjtanjtanj »

SR2Z wrote: post #972
tanjtanjtanj wrote: post #969

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> If the point you're trying to make is that Google needs to bring every service they offer up to a billion users within five years of launching it Well I didn’t say anything like this or anything that implied anything close to this so I suppose you’d have to engage with what I actually said. Photos existed and was available to the public before it was “released” in 2015. Even then, 10 years is certainly not recent f…

> Photos existed and was available to the public before it was “released” in 2015. Google has had several previous photos apps! The actually useful one is the most recent. > Even then, 10 years is certainly not recent for a company of Google’s age. So you swear you aren't demanding proof that services released in the past five years are successes, but you're complaining that pretty much anything older is too old. Dud…

I am SO confused and have no idea what you’re talking about. Do you think you’re talking to someone else?

My post was Thesis: Photos is not new

Supporting evidence: everything else.

I am not OP, I am not saying anything you’re responding to (and when I look at the OP you responded to they didn’t say what you’re responding to either).

I’m not ignoring any numbers they just don’t have anything to do with my post.

Additionally, Photos was a relaunched app that’s why I’m saying the 2015 is a little misleading, I am aware Google had other photo apps before Photos and I’m not talking about that.

I can say “your examples are bad” without espousing “Google doesn’t do anything”

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by ilioscio »

This is so terrible for their optics, Google used to work to cultivate their image so that an entire generation of young talent would've loved to work there, fast forward to now and that's all burned down and there's no respect left.

Now the best Google can expect from young pragmatic talent is that they'll have no real loyalty or trust in the brand, well respect is a two way street, this will almost certainly just accelerate enshittification across Google products and services.

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Post by carstenhag »

constantcrying wrote: post #898
apexalpha wrote: post #149

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Weird, as someone from Europe I've never experience anything else. Layoffs here are always done in conjunction with the unions. People are moved to different jobs, helped with training etc... Only in very critical jobs they'd walk you out immediately but then you still get the pay.

The idea of being able to keep a laptop sounds absurd to me. Of course many European countries have labor laws which make it near impossible to fire someone on the spot. >Only in very critical jobs they'd walk you out immediately but then you still get the pay. Presumably you are also still employed, just not given any tasks. I do not think that here in Germany there is any way to immediately fire someone, just becau…

Re: Germany - for sure there is. Aufhebungsvertrag if you as employee agree. Kündigung mit sofortiger Freistellung if you don't agree.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by carstenhag »

ajb wrote: post #482
ajb wrote: post #322

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Must do. I wonder if that's because of the wide access to weapons? Although I thought I'd heard that there still wasn't much gun violence in Switzerland.

Puzzled by why anyone would downvote a pure question. Wide distribution of guns is an obvious commonality between the US and Switzerland; if that's offensive observation please let me know why!

It's a very common misconception that it's legal to own/keep a gun (after having done military service) but not being able to get/keep ammunition.

According to this video you can't keep preciously-lent ammunition from the military. But you can for sure buy your own.

https://youtu.be/L00Pajw4NoY

As to why people don't use it or aren't scared, I guess they just aren't as wild...

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