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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by amai »

xkcd1963 wrote: post #918
ponector wrote: post #821

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>West has no means to put more pressure on Russia This is simply false. West can send more arms, more tanks (US sent 31 old Abrams tanks since 2022) more long range missiles. You know how easy it is to defend Ukrainian cities against airborne cruise missiles? Bomb few airbases used by strategic bombers. Bomb few factories used for ballistic missiles production. If west bite putin's bluff about WWIII then west can tra…

You don't poke the hornets nest. Soon you would see fullscale mobilisation in Russia and you have essentially ww3.

Fullscale mobilisation would lead to fullscale disintegration of Russia. That is why the price for soldiers is so high in Russia.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by jopsen »

programmarchy wrote: post #616
jopsen wrote: post #544

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Lol, Russia has long sold Iran whatever it wants in exchange for drones.

Right, and if US made a deal with Russia to cease their support for Iran, then they become much more vulnerable to an attack by Israel and US.

I don't think Iran is buying anything that can be turned off.

There is no trust between players in the axis of evil.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by StefanBatory »

skeletal88 wrote: post #368
StefanBatory wrote: post #161

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Russians could invade and while it is most likely that after a long war they'd be pushed back, they'd still leave ruins. Also, we don't have unified army. So as painful as it is, it is most likely Baltic states would have to fend of with their military (and due to population, well, they can't - even if they are bringing conscription back), maybe Poland and Finland. Maybe. And then you'd have to coordinate what to do…

Your data is wrong Estonia has had conscription for our whole independence from russia, and we don't intend to go back to russia. Lithuania also has conscription and Latvia started it again last year. Estonia also has the Defence League, a voluntary organisation which offers trainings and will support our defence forces. Finland and Poland also have conscription.

I wanted to tell you that we don't have conscription in Poland -

... but it got reinstated yesterday.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by xkcd1963 »

n4r9 wrote: post #977
xkcd1963 wrote: post #965

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This is way more damaging to the institutions of Europe than the war in Ukraine. Countries usually owe each other money, now everyone will think twice before saving assets in Europe.

Oh yes - "Risky to invest in Europe, it'll scupper our future plans to break a peace treaty and violate international law by invading one of their countries".

International law lol. Laws don't apply to countries. Thats kind of also the reason Europe gets away with stealing Russia's assets, for now.

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Post by xkcd1963 »

amai wrote: post #981
xkcd1963 wrote: post #918

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't poke the hornets nest. Soon you would see fullscale mobilisation in Russia and you have essentially ww3.

Fullscale mobilisation would lead to fullscale disintegration of Russia. That is why the price for soldiers is so high in Russia.

Russia is not disintegrating under any circumstance, it will always remain, not only because it is a nuclear power.

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Post by SergeAx »

jltsiren wrote: post #44
arunabha wrote: post #19

It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

It's one thing to stop all aid to Ukraine. That makes you an asshole in a world full of assholes. But it's another thing to do that while simultaneously working to restore relations with Russia. There is only one word for that: evil. Back in the late 90s to late 2000s, people in Western Europe generally had pretty negative views of the US. It was the country that refused to fight against climate change, launched an i…

> There is only one word for that: evil.

There is another: treason.

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Post by ashoeafoot »

arunabha wrote: post #19

It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

The weiderst part is that the us is now allied in a self conflicting alliance collection . They are friendly to russia who is hostile towards israel by supporting iran.

Strange bedfellow history maketh.

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Post by Anamon »

xkcd1963 wrote: post #984
n4r9 wrote: post #977

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Oh yes - "Risky to invest in Europe, it'll scupper our future plans to break a peace treaty and violate international law by invading one of their countries".

International law lol. Laws don't apply to countries. Thats kind of also the reason Europe gets away with stealing Russia's assets, for now.

It was already stolen money. Stolen from the Russian people, by crooks who support a war criminal in his imperialist massacres (the people whose assets are being frozen weren't selected randomly). These oligarchs forfeited their wealth by supporting the aggressor and threatening the countries where they stashed their loot. There is a crystal-clear justification for locking these assets for the trillions Russia will have to pay in reparations.

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Post by mbs159 »

nanotuber wrote: post #571

Comments are disappointing for hacker news standard. This pause was predictable (I predicted it in Nov 2024). It's negotiation leverage to steer toward an immediate resolution of the war. An immediate resolution of the war cuts losses: Ukraine loses territory, but keeps its sovereignty. The challenge is that there aren't many other viable paths. An indefinite forever war, with high risk of a Ukraine state collapse, i…

> The reasons for the war are deep.

Are they, really? As a person who grew up in a country that was invaded by Russia multiple times in the span of a few hundred years, it's evident that the main reason is a imperialistic view.

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Post by azheltoukhov »

Nobel prize argument looks bizarre. why bother with such puny goal when you have agi race to win.

i think it's just about not wasting more money for nothing. Israel on the other hand was and still is the "51st state" bearing strategic significance. Ukraine however is not

the rear earths deal has been designed to screw Zelensky over and make him a got

let Putin has more of a win. save some money for agi race

Russia will reciprocate regarding Iran, I think

EU not gonna do anything cuz it's EU

profit

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