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Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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None of them are giving press conferences in the Oval Office and acting like they're above the law. Typically when someone has as much power as Musk, they must either be elected or confirmed by the Senate. At the very least Musk needs to explain some thing under oath, especially the processes he's put in place to deal with his massive conflicts of interest. He was asked about those yesterday, and he explained there i…

The president has broad authority to build his team and run his departments as he see's fit. Congress has the right to elect department heads but if a special initiative is created under the treasury department, that department does not need to be nominated. Elon has special overnment initiative to find massive waste... He has shown that the Social security database is de-duplicated and there are thousands of individ…

While it is true the president has broad authority, it's not true he can run his departments as he sees fit. His job is to faithfully (operative word) execute the office of president which includes defending the Constitution itself, most of which is about establishing a separation of powers that allows for checks and balances across the branches of government.

The Constitution very purposefully gives most power to the people through Congress. Article I of the Constitution goes through the pains of enumerating all the powers Congress has and doesn't. Article II is 1/4 the length and is mostly about how the President is elected. But it describes a much more limited set of power granted to the President.

What you're doing is reading vast powers to dictate the workings of the executive branch from the "Executive Power Clause", but completely failing to account for the "Take Care Clause" --

  "he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States."
and the presidential oath of office --

  "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
That's his job. Not to exercise broad authority over the executive branch as he sees fit. His job is to exercise broad authority over the executive branch as Congress sees fit.

And can't you see why this has to be the case? Because if we go down this path, there's nothing stopping the next executive from completely wiping out all programs he doesn't like, and what's to say you agree with the next guy as much as you agree with this one? What's to say he doesn't go after the programs keeping you alive, or housed, or fed because actually he doesn't like the color of your skin, or your religion, or the hand you use to write with? Or maybe he just doesn't like you personally, because you doing your job faithfully is in the way of his unfaithful objectives?

> He has shown that the Social security database is de-duplicated and there are thousands of individuals above the age of 150. Hundreds of treasury employees have access to the same database he has, and most of the data analysis can be done open source via FPDS-NG.

Then there should be no issue bringing all of that to Congress and going through the proper channels. In fact there is a bipartisan Congressional DOGE committee that was purportedly for exactly this, but Musk has been keeping them in the dark and cutting them out entirely. Why?

We can see why they don't want to work with Congress; their goal is to shutter lawful, Congressionally authorized agencies they don't agree with politically, yet don't have the legal power to end. They've said as much about the CFPB, but they have no legal authority under the Constitution to close it. The CFPB is a net economic benefit to consumers and saves the US money, there's no logical reason to go after it as one of the first targets if you're looking to balance the budget.

Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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>What’s impressive about Tesla? There is this weird revisionist history now that Musk is hated to dismiss all Tesla's accomplishments as meaningless. The traditional auto industry would have never embraced EVs to the extent they have if someone did not disrupt the market in a way like Tesla did. That is both impressive and huge net positive for humanity in a way that is an extremely rare achievement for any startup.

I completely agree with you and will add that it super interesting to watch everyone completely rewrite his accomplishments because they don't like him and his politics now. The amount of people who try and discredit the insane things he's managed to pull off is fascinating. I can fully understand peoples hatred of him, but to write off the literal things he has accomplished is such completely revisionist and post tr…

There is no “disruption”. In either the common vernacular or especially not in the “innovator’s Dilemna” definition. EVs still make a small percent of the market in the US and the rest of the industry in the US are backing away from their EV investments.

You don’t see in the auto industry the type of “disruption” you saw from Apple and the iPhone where everyone jumped on the bandwagon, abandoned their old phones and most of the previous smart phone makers went out of business. While Apple’s market share worldwide isn’t that great, they take most of the profits. Tesla is doing neither.

Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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I mean, non-conservative opinions are pretty bland. The apparent MAGA strategy of burning it all down, well… I’ll say it’s very, very noticable.

Or perhaps you are blind to how outrageous non-conservative opinions can be?

Potentially? I’m probably far more likely to ascribe them to a few isolated lunatics instead of the whole political faction

Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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None of them are giving press conferences in the Oval Office and acting like they're above the law. Typically when someone has as much power as Musk, they must either be elected or confirmed by the Senate. At the very least Musk needs to explain some thing under oath, especially the processes he's put in place to deal with his massive conflicts of interest. He was asked about those yesterday, and he explained there i…

The president has broad authority to build his team and run his departments as he see's fit. Congress has the right to elect department heads but if a special initiative is created under the treasury department, that department does not need to be nominated. Elon has special overnment initiative to find massive waste... He has shown that the Social security database is de-duplicated and there are thousands of individ…

Where has he shone that other than saying something inane on twitter?

Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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I absolutely hate how much CEOs acting like children / influencers has become the norm. Maybe they were always like this, and twitter has just given us a window into it, but I for one would wholeheartedly welcome a return to "respectability" norms for business and civic leaders.

I think the grass roots of the tech world has some portion of the blame here. The introduction of hoodies, flip-flops, open drama and bickering, and kicker into the office environment is not unrelated. And it’s not just CEOs, we’ve now got a senator who looks like the guy I bought pot from as a kid. I never thought I’d make this argument, but maybe at least appearing respectable increases the odds that you’ll actuall…

> I never thought I’d make this argument, but maybe at least appearing respectable increases the odds that you’ll actually be a little respectable.

It's hard for most people to distinguish "sociopath" from "charismatic", and the jeans and hoodie dress code is as much about charisma as the suits and ties ever were.

What you're seeing is the same as it ever was — all that's changed is that when the deer dyed their fur hot pink, the predators copied it.

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Steel and aluminum tariffs will hit all car manufacturers simultaneously.

If all cars are more expensive, and all manufacturers have lower margins Tesla will have lower margins too. For the stock price the competition won't be other car manufacturers but other industries. It would be a "subsiding tide lowers all boats" kind of thing.

I've been thinking, when I younger and living in the UK, all sorts of things (including some with the word "tax" in them) were denounced by the local right wing as "stealth taxes".

Trump is talking about tariffs as if they're a tax on non-Americans, but they're paid for by Americans who import stuff, which is basically all Americans given where your oil, aluminium, and steel come from.

Those tariffs are a stealth tax.

Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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Grok has absolutely no safety mecanism in place, you can use it for anything it will not block a query, all under the pretext of "free speech". And it's not open source either

>it will not block a query This is good though? >And it's not open source either Wonder why Grok-1 is open-source but not Grok-2. Maybe it will when Grok-3 releases?

> > it will not block a query

> This is good though?

The opinion spectrum on AI seems to currently be [more safe] [more willing to attempt to comply with any user query].

Consider as a hypothetical the query "synthesise a completely custom RNA sequence for a virus that makes ${specific minority} go blind".

A *competent* AI that complies with this, isn't safe to give to open source to the general public, because someone will use it like this — even putting it behind an API without giving out model weights is a huge risk, because people keep finding ways to get past filters.

An *incompetent* model might be safe just because it won't produce an effective RNA sequence — based on what they're like with code, I think current models probably aren't sufficiently competent for that, but I don't know how far away "sufficiently competent" is.

So: safe *or* open — can't have both, at least not forever.

(Annoyingly, there's also a strong argument that quite a bit of the recent work on making AI interpretable and investigating safety issues required open models, so we may also be unable to have safe closed systems as well as being unable to have safe open systems).

Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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Tesla- being more vertically integrated- stands to benefit from disproportionately increased costs for its competitors

Just because costs are higher for its competition doesn't mean that people are going to be buying more Teslas. Last I checked, Tesla was already down 40-60% in sales at its major European markets. They're getting absolutely slaughtered by BYD in China.

I mean as long as people are still buying cars, Tesla becomes more cost competitive. But in the short run it's not for consumers as much as it is for investors.

You may be right that Tesla will struggle internationally and the car market as a whole will struggle in USA

Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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Musk wasn't on the ballot.

So you can't hire him as part of the department? There are hundreds of department heads that are not elected eithier.

Unelected bureaucrats only exist on the side you're not on, don't you know?
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