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Re: Why is homeschooling becoming fashionable?

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Post by matrix87 »

crabbone wrote: post #609
matrix87 wrote: post #210

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> Learning how to co-exist with people who aren't like you is a universally valuable experience, especially for people who would fashion themselves as "not average." If those people have worse habits, are less motivated, less educated, less cultured, what is there to gain from it? Seems like there's only something to lose from adjusting to their shittiness. Like Harrison Bergeron And seeing the state of California tr…

> what is there to gain from it? Humility.

Humility is relative. Humility in front of actual experts is good. It has to be earned

Becoming humble in front of people who suck is learning the wrong life lesson

Re: Why is homeschooling becoming fashionable?

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 »

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A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #571

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Thank you. I get irrationally angry, when I hear the 'socialization' argument, precisely because of the experience you described. To be fair, it does, in a weird way, prepare you for some areas of adulthood, but I think those areas are thankfully somewhat avoidable.

It prepares you as much as it desensitizes you to accept bad environments because that's all the "adults" can do for you.

Interesting, if there is one thing that I have learned in my life, it is that you can pick up your stuff and leave. It is depressing that what we teach our kids is that they just have to stay in that bad situation; that there are no options.

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Post by saagarjha »

jcarrano wrote: post #859
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We pay for a private school, it's expensive yes and I know not accessible for all, but it's kind of the best of both worlds. You get to choose the school and it's a community vibe. It helps when the other kids, potential bullies, know your kid and know their parents talk to your parents. It also helps as the staff is acutely tuned in to things like this, and they have amazing ways of conflict resolutions. It's not di…

I find it appalling that parent who can afford a private school, even with much sacrifice, would instead send their children to a a public school. It is the equivalent of eating soup at a homeless shelter when you can go to the store and buy something better, made worse by the fact that you are making the decision for someone else that cannot decide on their own.

Kids make do at good public schools. Source: went to one of them.

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Post by meetingthrower »

jcarrano wrote: post #859
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We pay for a private school, it's expensive yes and I know not accessible for all, but it's kind of the best of both worlds. You get to choose the school and it's a community vibe. It helps when the other kids, potential bullies, know your kid and know their parents talk to your parents. It also helps as the staff is acutely tuned in to things like this, and they have amazing ways of conflict resolutions. It's not di…

I find it appalling that parent who can afford a private school, even with much sacrifice, would instead send their children to a a public school. It is the equivalent of eating soup at a homeless shelter when you can go to the store and buy something better, made worse by the fact that you are making the decision for someone else that cannot decide on their own.

Lol. My public school sent 10% of its senior class to ivy league schools last year. I'll take it. Not all of them are inner city hell holes.

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Post by notTooFarGone »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #407
notTooFarGone wrote: post #354

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>however Germany thinks binning kids into handcrafts, simple office jobs and academia at age nine (!) is a brilliant idea o-O As a German that's the first time I hear that. Do you mean Schülerpraktikum? That's usually at age 14. Never heard anyone doing that at age 9.

They're talking about the division between Gymnasium, Realschule, and Hauptschule. It's actually state to state nowadays whether they have separate schools or Gesamtschulen, but I understand even in Gesamtschulen, in many Bundesländer there's some internal separation. Where are you in DE, that this is unknown to you? In Köln just 15 years ago I knew parents who had the horror scenario: a 4th grade teacher who quietly…

this is very reductive and really hyperbolic. Also hauptschule does not exist in most states anymore.

I also know enough people who did perfectly fine via Realschule to academics. Of course it's a decision with pretty much a single point of failure which is suboptimal, but don't act like it's predetermining your whole carrer.

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Post by pie_flavor »

maxehmookau wrote: post #554
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When the experts say that algebra should not be taught in 8th grade, and the experts say that guessing at words instead of sounding them out is a better way to learn to read, and the experts say that calc can be replaced with 'data science' which is actually just data literacy, and so on and so forth, I'm not really interested in how the precise definition of 'experts' actually refers to something about 'growing our…

> your best options for guaranteeing that you avoid it are homeschooling Accepting your premise that "public schooling is fucked" (I disagree) there's absolutely zero guarantee that homeschooling is any better for any particular child. It's a completely random chance whether your parent, or whichever potentially untrained person, is going to provide you with an education that sets you up for society, work and the wid…

I estimate that I have a 90% chance of being better. If you aggregate everyone in the country, the median person might not have a 90% chance of being better, but that has nothing to do with me.

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Post by anelson »

dijit wrote: post #389

OK I guess I’m going to go against the deluge of comments here; And give an appreciable reason instead of denigrating those who might choose this. The context, though, I am British. I grew up in Britain. I went to British school. I can’t speak universally about my experience, (even within all of Britain), because it’s my experience which is in one small area of the country. However, school, for me, was by far the sin…

Yes, 1000x this!

School for me was a gladiator academy. Useful for producing gladiators I suppose but at the expense of any genuine intellectual curiosity or love of learning. Thankfully I had an informal opportunity to stay after school when the budding gladiators all went home to torment small animals or whatever it was they did, when I could sit in peace and play on the school’s Apple II. That opened my eyes to an entirely different world, which I now have the privilege of inhabiting.

Some of my siblings liked school, and my parents were wise enough to make the homeschool/government school decision on a child by child basis. I’m very grateful that they had the courage to make that decision in my case against fierce opposition by all of polite society.

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Post by kbelder »

circlefavshape wrote: post #520
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It’s shameful to not be interested in math and science—that’s like saying you’re not interested in reading. But putting that aside, the other subjects should be educational. I remember what triggered my mom was us spending an inordinate amount of time making clay models of Native American villages. American kids shouldn’t graduate high school knowing more about the shapes of Native American houses than the conceptual…

> It’s shameful to not be interested in math and science What? Don't you know anyone who is not a nerd? I know many very fine people with no interest in either, and they have nothing to be ashamed of

Because people live in a world that is understandable through math and science. They don't need to specialize in those subjects, but as a human in reality they should familiarize themselves with reality.

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Post by jkolio »

matrix87 wrote: post #980
jkolio wrote: post #749

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When my car broke down in the middle of a DoorDash run, I walked to a nearby park and sat next to a homeless guy who was about my age. He was deaf; we talked via text on our phones about how we'd ended up on the same bench, and I shared some of my food. I learned from him how resilient someone can be, even under incredibly unfair circumstances, but more importantly, he got something to eat. It's not all about you.

You and the homeless guy aren't peers, you just did a nice thing. You're not going to classes with him or working alongside him

I was (and remain) a few bad breaks from his situation. I'm not responsible for his state, but we absolutely are peers (i.e., same age, facing the same broad socioeconomic environment).

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Post by jkolio »

programjames wrote: post #915
jkolio wrote: post #749

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When my car broke down in the middle of a DoorDash run, I walked to a nearby park and sat next to a homeless guy who was about my age. He was deaf; we talked via text on our phones about how we'd ended up on the same bench, and I shared some of my food. I learned from him how resilient someone can be, even under incredibly unfair circumstances, but more importantly, he got something to eat. It's not all about you.

Exactly. It's not all about you. It's best for the community to encourage education, and dragging down students who actually care about education does the opposite.

Your selfishness is not equal to my desire for common prosperity. If anything, lone wolf-ism is what drags us down (no matter how proficient the wolf thinks he is). We live in a society.
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