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Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by mbs159 »

doom2 wrote: post #891
lugu wrote: post #626

Coming from another continent, it feels the discourse in the US is poisoned by the word RACE. Back home, no one uses it. The best proxy for inequality is poverty. Make poor people richer with basic support like free education and health care. Tax the richer. That should solve the problem. If you wonder about woman, create support for working mum with after school program and free baby care. Sorry to state the obvious…

> it feels the discourse in the US is poisoned by the word RACE. Back home, no one uses it. I'm not sure where you're located, but as an American fan of European football, it seems like race is still very much an issue on other continents and not just as a proxy for some other inequality. Just in the last week, there have been at least two instances in the top 5 leagues of fans racially abusing players[1]. Maybe the…

What you see in football does not represent a continent, though. Where I live in Europe there are people of many races, but I have only heard the word race (in my native language) used only a handful of times in my entire life. Inequality via poverty is a thing, though.

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by l0t0b0r0s »

throwaway48305 wrote: post #852

As a current Meta engineer my perspective is this: - DEI at meta has been non-existent for the past 6 months or more anyways. They care far less than any FAANG I've seen about DEI beyond the lip service and yearly training. This is just the announcement of something that's already been in place for a while - Meta has very poor diversity. I go most days without seeing any black engineers. I see occasional latino engin…

Diversity is a dumb metric to strive for. Just hire the person who can do the job regardless of what they look like. Nothing else matters.

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by l0t0b0r0s »

paxys wrote: post #88

DEI was a song and dance that companies put on for the media, politicians, investors, employees, and the public at large. Now anti-DEI is a song and dance for the exact same reason. If you have been in the business long enough, you will know that the company has NO ONE's interests at heart. Never had and never will. They will discriminate against any race they have to, whether majority or minority, if it leads to an…

DEI was a song and dance yes, but it was essentially a mandated one from the government that was requested by the companies themselves. If governments didnt subsidize it, companies would have never implemented it.

Companies wanted cheap labor so they lobbied the government for more immigration and DEI policies, in return they they have to perform the DEI song and dance in HR mandated workshops, like dogs begging for a treat.

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by l0t0b0r0s »

doom2 wrote: post #891
lugu wrote: post #626

Coming from another continent, it feels the discourse in the US is poisoned by the word RACE. Back home, no one uses it. The best proxy for inequality is poverty. Make poor people richer with basic support like free education and health care. Tax the richer. That should solve the problem. If you wonder about woman, create support for working mum with after school program and free baby care. Sorry to state the obvious…

> it feels the discourse in the US is poisoned by the word RACE. Back home, no one uses it. I'm not sure where you're located, but as an American fan of European football, it seems like race is still very much an issue on other continents and not just as a proxy for some other inequality. Just in the last week, there have been at least two instances in the top 5 leagues of fans racially abusing players[1]. Maybe the…

He doesnt disclose where hes from because it is likely and ethno-homogenous state and would therefore ruin his bullshit bad faith argument.

Or he could be INDIAN and doesnt want to be criticized about the caste system lol.

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by l0t0b0r0s »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #527
timmg wrote: post #154

From the memo: > We previously ended representation goals for women and ethnic minorities. Having goals can create the impression that decisions are being made based on race or gender. While this has never been our practice, we want to eliminate any impression of it. I don't know how they treated those goals, but: you can imagine a large company. The CEO says "we need to reach X goal in Y. Your executive bonus will t…

"We're not discriminating or putting majority candidates at a disadvantage... but for candidates with a diverse background we have some leeway to exceed headcount limits." Or, for a court-documented example of exactly what you're describing happening: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16501663

"We cant hire white males at the moment, but everyone else we can make an exception"

How is that not discriminating?

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by l0t0b0r0s »

aldebran wrote: post #681
annzabelle wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the most egregious hiring practice I've actually seen. The white/black/hispanic/asian american managers all hire teams with multiple ethnicities based on the most qualified candidates for the job, while Indian born managers frequently seem to end up with teams that are 80+% Indian. I don't think I've ever seen a team that's 80% white, even in roles that require US Citizenship, but 80% Indian happens frequently…

There’s a simpler non malicious explanation for this. Asians know other Asians in tech and hire based on who they are familiar with rather than their ethnicity. It’s also why women managers tend to have more women in their teams. It’s not malicious. Just a side effect of people’s network. Should that change? Yes. You want a heterogenous team. And this is exactly why DEI is important hahaha

Its taken as malicious when white males do it. Which is why you don't see them doing it anymore.

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by l0t0b0r0s »

ken47 wrote: post #764
baq wrote: post #55

Are they rolling back Chinese and Indian managers only hiring Chinese and Indian folks, too?

Folks from a given country tend to network with and feel more comfortable with people from said country, affecting their hiring and promotion practices. That’s only natural.

I agree, so why are white people and white countries prohibited from doing this?

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by l0t0b0r0s »

j7ake wrote: post #231

Why does the skin color or gender matter if in the end they pick candidates that all went to the same top schools or have previously worked at the same top companies? Diversity in training, education and work history vastly outweighs diversity in superficial physical features.

Because governments and venture capitalists subsidize it. Their literal argument is that if you hire based on merit alone and your demographics dont meet the percentage that the government wants; you are racist and therefore not deserving of taxpayer dollars.

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by l0t0b0r0s »

ceejayoz wrote: post #685
GiorgioG wrote: post #243

Every time you try to right a wrong like this (DEI), it just makes things worse for everyone involved. Just find the best person for the job, no matter their skin color, sex, age, etc.

That’s the goal of DEI; recognizing that scenarios like two hundred years of all male, all white SCOTUS judges and Presidents and all the other top slots was probably not due to them being inherently better than every non-white, non-male otherwise eligible person in the country.

Do you support this line of thinking for other ethno-homogenous countries? Are China India and Japan not serving their constituents the best they could because their SCOTUS equivalent judges are not diverse?

The USA was 90+% white before 1965, so for the majority of its history it had White SCOTUS judges. Do you seriously think that because the SCOTUS was 100% instead of 90% white that a great disservice was done to our country.

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by b0redatw0rk »

throwaway48305 wrote: post #852

As a current Meta engineer my perspective is this: - DEI at meta has been non-existent for the past 6 months or more anyways. They care far less than any FAANG I've seen about DEI beyond the lip service and yearly training. This is just the announcement of something that's already been in place for a while - Meta has very poor diversity. I go most days without seeing any black engineers. I see occasional latino engin…

insane to frame too many indians or asians as a problem. hopefully you get cut in the new stack ranking
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