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Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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post #146

The LLM community has come up with tests they call 'Misguided Attention'[1] where they prompt the LLM with a slightly altered version of common riddles / tests etc. This often causes the LLM to fail. For example I used the prompt "As an astronaut in China, would I be able to see the great wall?" and since the training data for all LLMs is full of text dispelling the common myth that the great wall is visible from spa…

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Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#982
post #146

The LLM community has come up with tests they call 'Misguided Attention'[1] where they prompt the LLM with a slightly altered version of common riddles / tests etc. This often causes the LLM to fail. For example I used the prompt "As an astronaut in China, would I be able to see the great wall?" and since the training data for all LLMs is full of text dispelling the common myth that the great wall is visible from spa…

Interesting... It took me 3 different attempts, but I found a set of custom instructions that allowed Claude to get the right answer on the initial prompt. Here's the instructions (I tried to keep them as general and non-specific as I could):

Carefully analyze questions to not overlook subtle details. Take each question "as-is", don't guess what they mean -- interpret them as any reasonable person would.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#983
post #421

As an aside, I'm a little miffed that the benchmark calls out "AGI" in the name, but then heavily cautions that it's necessary but insufficient for AGI. > ARC-AGI serves as a critical benchmark for detecting such breakthroughs, highlighting generalization power in a way that saturated or less demanding benchmarks cannot. However, it is important to note that ARC-AGI is not an acid test for AGI

I immediately thought so too. Why confuse everyone?

Marketing probably

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#984

Earlier quoted context omitted.

some other imporant quotes: "Average human off the street: 70-80%. STEM college grad: >95%. Panel of 10 random humans: 99-100%" -@fchollet on X So, considering that the $3400/task system isn't able to compete with STEM college grad yet, we still have some room (but it is shrinking, i expect even more compute will be thrown and we'll see these barriers broken in coming years) Also, some other back of envelope calculat…

It's also worth keeping in mind that AIs are a lot less risky to deploy for businesses than humans. You can scale them up and down at any time, they can work 24/7 (including holidays) with no overtime pay and no breaks, they need no corporate campuses, office space, HR personnel or travel budgets, you don't have to worry about key employees going on sick/maternity leave or taking time off the moment they're needed mo…

Even accepting for additional cost with human. With the current model we are still roughly 10^3 in terms cost.

Less risky to deploy question will probably come once it is closer to 10x the cost. Considering the model was even specifically tuned for the test and doesn't involve other complexity I will say we are actually 10^4 cost off in terms of real world scenario.

I would imagine with better algorithm, tuning and data we could knock off 10^2 from the equation. That would still leave us with 10^2 cost to improve from Hardware. Minimum of 10 years.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#985
post #945

Earlier quoted context omitted.

some other imporant quotes: "Average human off the street: 70-80%. STEM college grad: >95%. Panel of 10 random humans: 99-100%" -@fchollet on X So, considering that the $3400/task system isn't able to compete with STEM college grad yet, we still have some room (but it is shrinking, i expect even more compute will be thrown and we'll see these barriers broken in coming years) Also, some other back of envelope calculat…

Other important quotes: "o3 still fails on some very easy tasks, indicating fundamental differences with human intelligence. Furthermore, early data points suggest that the upcoming ARC-AGI-2 benchmark will still pose a significant challenge to o3, potentially reducing its score to under 30% even at high compute (while a smart human would still be able to score over 95% with no training)." So ya, working on efficienc…

Thank You. That alone suggest we could throw another 100X compute and we still wont be close to average human which is something close to 70-80%.

So combined together we are currently at least 10^5 in terms of cost efficiency. In reality I wont be surprised if we are closer to 10^6.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#986

Incredibly impressive. Still can't really shake the feeling that this is o3 gaming the system more than it is actually being able to reason. If the reasoning capabilities are there, there should be no reason why it achieves 90% on one version and 30% on the next. If a human maintains the same performance across the two versions, an AI with reason should too.

Yes, if a system has actually achieved AGI, it is likely to not reveal that information

Not sure why I am being downvoted. Why would a sufficiently advanced intelligence reveal its full capabilities knowing fully well that it would then be subjected to a range of constraints and restraints?

If you disagree with me, state why instead of opting to downvote me

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#988

This is also wildly ahead in SWE-bench (71.7%, previous 48%) and Frontier Math (25% on high compute, previous 2%). So much for a plateau lol.

>Frontier Math (25% on high compute, previous 2%) This is so insane that I can't help but be skeptical. I know FM answer key is private, but they have to send the questions to OpenAI in order to score the models. And a significant jump on this benchmark sure would increase a company's valuation... Happy to be wrong on this.

Nope, makes sense to me. Seems unreasonable to conclude the dataset is not compromised now.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#990
I'm skeptical of these benchmarks. I mean, look at the problem it's solving? I'm sorry, this is our benchmark of AGI, it will never fly with the common person when someone claims AGI, and all it did was fill a grid of pixels.

Was it zero-shot at least and Pass@1 ? I guess it was not zero-shot, since it shows examples of other similar problems and their solutions. It also sounds like it was fine-tuned on that specific task.

Look, maybe this shows that it could soon be used to replace some MTurk style workers, but I don't know that counts as AGI. To me AGI, it needs to be able to solve novel problems, to adapt to all situations without fine-tuning, and to operate at much larger dimensions, like don't make it a grid of pixels, make it 4k images at least.

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