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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#981

Today we learned that immigration is more important for Americans than even abortion, so much that 3 states didn’t even codify it.

Can someone explain to me the current rationale in the US left around abortion being a hot topic and a strong vote puller?

As far as I can see, their arguments have devolved to weasel wording alone, like saying it's a "reproductive health" or "reproductive rights" issue.

They seem to be carefully avoiding the central issue that, if discussed, could undermine all that weasel wording. I.e. the question of at what point life begins.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but in the US left, and in some states governed by them, it's the case that a unborn baby of an age which would have been a viable albeit premature birth can be killed under the wording of "aborting a pregnancy"?

I'd just really like to understand the mental and philosophical basis behind this.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#984

The Democrats need to figure out how to recapture the favor of young men. The Joe Rogans/Logan Pauls/Elon Musks/Tiktok/Podcast bros are doing serious damage to that demographic. Almost a +30 swing to the right in the 18-29 M category from 2020.

> The Democrats need to figure out how to recapture the favor of young men.

> The Joe Rogans/Logan Pauls/Elon Musks/Tiktok/Podcast bros are doing serious damage to that demographic.

The attempt was immediately killed upon the next sentence.

The Dems failed with this kind of thinking: It's a prescriptivist ideology that thinks it knows better and that doesn't need to actually listen to the concerns of who they're diagnosing.

How to start off on a better footing? Start with:

"They're right about their feelings, but try to find the genuine sources for them and *don't* snark back."

The last 3 words are important to the point that it needs to be drilled in: *DON'T SNARK BACK.*

Engage in their language and point to alternate sources of their frustrations. Bernie was great at this, and knew to engage with them in a supportive manner, whilst still pointing out new sources for their frustrations.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#985
post #260

Something I've been wondering lately is how big of a blind spot I have from being habitually online. Like, I'll read the news, and I'll read political discussions on HN and r/politics and r/conservative and Twitter, and I'll try to get a sense of what everyone is thinking, but unfortunately I don't think that's possible. The posters on these sites all have one thing in common: they're into politics and current events…

All of the news sources you cited are extreme far left sites. All of Reddit is only far left extremism since they banned all conservative viewpoints and block any conservative comments.

Try X.com for a full rounded perspective where all are welcome. Community Notes show misinformation, but do not ban someone from sharing their ideas.

I read all of the major sites, subscribed to NYTimes, WaPo, etc, and X.com is by far the best source of information.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#986

For many this ended up with "Have i felt better over the past 4 years" . Imagine coming out of covid, without a recession, only to be hit with inflation (both parties to blame) and sky high interest rates coupled with all other stuff like illegal border crossing to lack of majority support from Women to Harris to Harris being a silent VP for 4 full years and thrown to lime light.

Inflation happened all over the world due to post covid and the war how is and government to blame for this?

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#987
post #751

incumbents all around the world have performed terribly post COVID. UK, Canada, Japan, France, Italy, have all had landslide or shocking election results. Unsure what the general mood is that can lead to Keir Starmer dropping 30 points in approval months after winning in a landslide, but the mood of general discontent may be relevant in the United States as well. It seems whatever the status quo / incumbent advantage…

>>incumbents all around the world have performed terribly post COVID Except India. Yes, ruling party did lose majority on it's own but they still formed the third successive government despite terrible handling of the COVID.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#988

Even if you support his economic approach, for example, wouldn't his criminal behaviour, or his racist and transphobic views disqualify him? One does not wash away the other.

When the Access Hollywood tape came out back in 2016 I thought his campaign was over. How can someone who openly boasts about sexually assaulting women, ever be considered for any public office, let alone the most powerful office in the world? In most countries of the world a scandal of that scale would end a politician's career instantly. But not in the US. Not for him at least. I just can't understand how anyone can separate his character flaws from his policy and think he cares for anyone but himself.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#989
Trump didn’t win. Harris lost. Trump is about 2M votes behind his losing mark in 2020. Meanwhile Harris is 11M behind Biden last time round.

Everyone voted as anticipated in the main and Musk’s antics did nothing to boost Trump.

Trump‘s campaign was a disaster, pulling him back and losing him votes. No one can be proud of returning fewer votes than before. Nothing he did worked.

White suburban men and the Latino population didn’t show up for Harris. Outside that even groups that didn’t vote for her in large numbers, or voted in part for Trump, otherwise performed as expected.

Polls are not good at identifying voters who traditionally vote one way and then decide not to show up. The apathetic voters were falsely recorded as being votes for Harris.

Many theories are out there to explain the apathy. Certainly there’s an element or sexism and racism. Many people don’t want to vote for a brown woman. Trump and his surrogates attacked Harris directly as a minority woman by implying she was only good for sex and had slept her way to power.

The Latino population in the US skews catholic and that constituency skews them conservative.

On top of that they often live in states with high immigration from South and Central America and are more hawkish on that issue than most. Many do not identify with the countries their parents or grandparents came from and consider themselves “good” immigrants who are angry at the “bad” immigrants they are often lumped in with.

People talking about any move to the right by Trump are wrong. If anything the country is less Trumpest than it was 4 years ago. He has no mandate.

America still seems unwilling to elect a woman to the highest office. People who think Obama election means race is no longer an issue are also wrong. Politically Obama was Michael Jordan. His performance and ability cannot be considered the new normal. He may remain an outlier in the same way Thatcher, the UKs only elected female PM, is.

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