The error rates, even if small, become a significant problem when used at scale, as seen here
Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
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Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#982I’ve been teaching in higher education for 30 years and am soon retiring. I teach math. In every math course there is massive amounts of cheating on everything that is graded that is not proctored in a classroom setting. Locking down browsers and whatnot does not prevent cheating. The only solution is to require face-to-face proctored exams and not allow students to use technology of any kind while taking the test. B…
The focus has shifted from genuine learning to simply passing
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#983I’ve been teaching in higher education for 30 years and am soon retiring. I teach math. In every math course there is massive amounts of cheating on everything that is graded that is not proctored in a classroom setting. Locking down browsers and whatnot does not prevent cheating. The only solution is to require face-to-face proctored exams and not allow students to use technology of any kind while taking the test. B…
I remember taking a math class in college and the professor had a very unique way of dealing with cheating. He let us use our books, notes, and "any calculator capability" from our TI-84's. His rationale is that students will try to use these tricks anyways so just let them and then update the test to be "immune" from these advantages. Before every test he mentioned that we could use all those tools but always said "…
By acknowledging that students will try to use every tool at their disposal, the professor created an environment where the focus shifts back to true understanding
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#984I'm so glad I'm not in high school - my default writing style is eerily similar to ChatGPT and I'm sure I would be flagged constantly.
My middle school English classes were dominated by sentence diagramming - I'm not sure that's taught anymore. I hated it at the time but damn if it wasn't effective.
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#985In my opinion, when an assignment is flagged as potential plagiarism, that should be a signal that the student needs to be interviewed about the work to make sure that they actually understand the material well enough to produce a good assignment. Disciplining based on the output of an algorithm provided by a third-party is very stupid.
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#986Earlier quoted context omitted.
But not in cheating or grades, etc. Spam filters are completely different from this.
> But not in cheating or grades I had both, over a decade ago in high school. Plagiarism detection is the original AI detection, although they usually told you specifically what you were accused of stealing from. A computer-based English course I took over the summer used automated grading to decide if what you wrote was good enough (IIRC they did have a human look over it at some point).
If it can be checked easily, that's something else entirely. But as soon as the grading is a black box, it's not acceptable, in my opinion.
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#987Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I studied physics at Exeter University they still used the tutorial system and finals. Tutorials were held fortnightly; the tutorial groups were typically three or four students. There was no obligation to turn up to lectures or even tutorials. You just had to pass the end of year exams to be allowed to continue to the final. The class of degree that was awarded depended on the open note final exam and the repor…
I also studied Physics there! Yeah, the General Problems exam was a nightmare, I think the professors competed each year to come up with the toughest questions. Getting 50% was an excellent score. It did force you to learn all the material though, especially as at the end of 3-4 years you may have forgotten some of it, like Optics or whatever. It was pretty hardcore though, especially compared to my friends studying…
When? I graduated in 1977.
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#988I’ve been teaching in higher education for 30 years and am soon retiring. I teach math. In every math course there is massive amounts of cheating on everything that is graded that is not proctored in a classroom setting. Locking down browsers and whatnot does not prevent cheating. The only solution is to require face-to-face proctored exams and not allow students to use technology of any kind while taking the test. B…
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Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#989Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also studied Physics there! Yeah, the General Problems exam was a nightmare, I think the professors competed each year to come up with the toughest questions. Getting 50% was an excellent score. It did force you to learn all the material though, especially as at the end of 3-4 years you may have forgotten some of it, like Optics or whatever. It was pretty hardcore though, especially compared to my friends studying…
When? I graduated in 1977.
I graduated in 2013, so rather later! I didn't realise the General Problems paper had such a long history!
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#990I’ve been teaching in higher education for 30 years and am soon retiring. I teach math. In every math course there is massive amounts of cheating on everything that is graded that is not proctored in a classroom setting. Locking down browsers and whatnot does not prevent cheating. The only solution is to require face-to-face proctored exams and not allow students to use technology of any kind while taking the test. B…
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