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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by authorfly »

bbor wrote: post #50
authorfly wrote: post #29

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Disco Diffusion was a (bad) thing in 2021 that lead to the spaghetti video / weird Burger Kind Ads level quality. But it ran on consumer GPUs / in Jupyter notebook. 2 years ago we had decent video generation for clips 7 months ago we have Sora https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39393252 (still silence since then) With these things, like DALL-E 1 and GPT-3, the original release of the game changer often comes ca. 2…

What video generation was decent 2 years ago? Will smith eating spaghetti was barely coherent and clearly broken, and that was March 2023 ( https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ai-will-smith-eating-spaghett... ). And isn’t this model open source…? So we get access to it, like, momentarily? Or did I miss something?

So you're right to be excited, I agree. And I don't know, Meta, like OpenAI, seems to release conditionally, though yes, more. I doubt it before the election.

When the Will Smith one was released, it was kind of a parody though. Tech had already been able to produce that level of "quality" for about 2 years at the time of it's publishing. The Will Smith one is honestly something you could have created with Disco Diffusion in early 2021, I used to do this back then...

2022 saw: https://makeavideo.studio/ (coherent, but low res - it was possible to upscale at extreme expense) https://sites.research.google/phenaki/ https://lumiere-video.github.io/

It was more like 18-20 months ago sorry so early 2023, but https://runwayml.com/research/gen-1 was getting there as was https://pika.art/home - Sora obviously changed the game, but I would say these two were great.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by GreenWatermelon »

cedws wrote: post #888
heurist wrote: post #273

I've been saying for years that generated content is an impending tsunami that's going to drown out all real human voices online. The internet may become effectively unusable as a result for anything other than entertainment.

The Internet used to be a sort of hideaway for nerdy people to hang out and have fun. Ever since the invention of the smartphone, possibly before (see “Eternal September”) it’s gone to shit. These days I would rather spend time offline. Are there any other Internet-based hideaways to retreat to? Somewhere where ads, clout chasing, and AI slop doesn’t exist?

Come to Tildes.net! We're comfy small community with a single rule: don't be an asshole.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by scudsworth »

jcims wrote: post #977
scudsworth wrote: post #950

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https://www.udio.com/creators/jcims yeah its not surprising that you wouldn't volunteer this, man

This is some juvenile shit, man. What did you hope to prove? That I'm right? That songs that I feel a connection to sound terrible to you? An astute reader with some basic emotional intelligence would notice that is the entire point of my comment. Not that 'mouthbreathers on the Internet don't appreciate my art', but that things I 'create' by typing stuff in on a keyboard still manifests this odd connection that is j…

you'll notice i didn't use the word "create" or "make" in my reply

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by hyperG »

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #198
schmidtleonard wrote: post #165

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> "AI generated" I just instantly find it un-interesting artistically How familiar are you with what is possible and how much human effort goes towards achieving it? https://civitai.com/images Photography, digital painting, 3D rendering -- these all went through a phase of being panned as "not real art" before they were accepted, but they were all eventually accepted and they all turned out to have their own type of…

I'll be blunt, all of those images look comically generic and extremely "AI". > Photography, digital painting, 3D rendering Those are not the same as AI. Using AI is akin to standing beside a great pianist and whispering into his ear that you want "something sad and slow" and then waiting for him to play your request. You might continue to give him prompts but you're just doing that. In time, you might be called a "c…

"Rap isn't even music, they aren't even singing!"

You are just expressing the same, uncreative, ignorant opinion that is always expressed when we come upon a NEW ART FORM.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by hyperG »

zoogeny wrote: post #357
nthdesign wrote: post #92

My kids both have creative hearts, and they are terrified that A.I. will prevent them from earning a living through creativity. Very recently, I've had an alternate thought. We've spent decades improving the technology of entertainment, spending billions (trillions?) of dollars in the process. When A.I. can generate any entertainment you can imagine, we might start finding this kind of entertainment boring. Maybe, at…

Consider another angle. I follow a lot of the new AI gen crowd on Twitter. This community is made up of a lot of creative industry people. One guy who worked in commercials shared a recent job he was on for a name brand. They had a soundstage, actors, sound people, makeup, lighting, etc. setup for 3 days for the shoot. Something like 25 people working for 3 days. But behind that was about 3 months of effort if one in…

We have already been through this with music.

It doesn't really work that way. Over time, it really does just devalue the art form in a sense because now anyone can make a recording.

Electronic music is really the best example. In 1995 it took thousands of dollars to have a fully working studio to even produce any track. By 2005, anyone could do this in their bedroom for basically nothing. In 1995 the cost acted as a filter so only those with talent would bother. Once anyone could do it, all electronic music recordings were devalued by the infinite supply.

I thought there would be 1000 Richard James once this happened. Maybe there even are but I have never heard them because there is so much shit to sift through I really don't even listen to electronic music anymore. I don't think there are though. 900 them probably are doing something else because there is no money left in the art form, 90 are making some other style of music with better financial prospects and the 10 that are, I will never hear of or be able to find.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by hyperG »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #139
briandear wrote: post #110

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We heard this same argument when cameras were invented. Yet some of the most valuable paintings in the world were created in the 20th century. We heard it again when electronic music started becoming a thing. Formula 1 wouldn’t exist if the blacksmiths had their way. The unknown scares people because they are afraid of their known paradigms being shattered. But the new things ahead are often beyond anything of which…

One must not use analogy to analyze individual technologies. People were afraid of the camera, yes, but the camera does not attempt to replace painting. AI attempts to replace photography, painting, and all sorts of art with something that looks like the real thing. Photography never tried to do that, as photographs don't look anything like paintings.

You are just wrong.

Before the camera, portrait painting was how most painters would make their living and the camera upended that completely.

On the last line, look up hyperrealist painter on a search engine. That is the reverse , an artistic movement in painting inspired by the photograph.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by tsimionescu »

whiplash451 wrote: post #427
tsimionescu wrote: post #374

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We are at a crossroads of technology, where we're still used to the idea that audio and video are decent proof that something happened, in a way in which we don't generally trust written descriptions of an event. Generative AI will be a significant problem for a while, but this assumption that audio/video is inherently trustable will relatively soon (in the grand scheme of things) go away, and we'll return to the his…

Interesting thought. An alternative is a world where we can securely sign captured medium.

That only really matters if it's hard to feed generated data into a camera/microphone that does this signing. It's not that hard already (you can just film a screen showing the generated video for a very basic version of this), and if there was significant interest, I'm sure it would become commoditized very quickly. Not to mention that any signing scheme is quickly captured by powerful states.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by OrangeMusic »

wiseowise wrote: post #90

So I’m probably going to be too closed minded about this: but who the f*ck asked for this and did anyone consider consequences of easily accessible AI slop generation? It’s already nearly impossible to find quality content on the internet if you don’t know where to look at.

> who the f*ck asked for this

Have you heard of the quip "Because we can"?

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