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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by bensandcastle »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #835
bensandcastle wrote: post #543

Having built similar tech (Meta, YC S13), it's been a great year with Vision Pro, Orion, Spectacles and more coming out. Currently at my co, seeing most day to day use out of XReal, and keen for Visor. AR/XR/MR/VR app I'm most looking forward to is a 360 location share with the sharing user in AR, and the receiving user in VR, with additional virtual objects shared between. Orion would be great for the send side, wit…

> The main thing letting down tech today is how open the platforms are for external developers. You mean how closed they are? Apple was bad about this, but I think Meta is pretty good with helping spatial / game devs? Am I wrong about that? I don't work in the space, it's just my impression

Yes, correct. As in their degree of openness (not much) is what's letting them down. I see how you could have read it as I meant their too open, which I definitely don't think is the case!

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by bensandcastle »

jimmySixDOF wrote: post #787
bensandcastle wrote: post #543

Having built similar tech (Meta, YC S13), it's been a great year with Vision Pro, Orion, Spectacles and more coming out. Currently at my co, seeing most day to day use out of XReal, and keen for Visor. AR/XR/MR/VR app I'm most looking forward to is a 360 location share with the sharing user in AR, and the receiving user in VR, with additional virtual objects shared between. Orion would be great for the send side, wit…

I remember Meta (your old Meta not the new Zuck's Meta) had an amazing section of the site where you could submit and see sort of like Kickstarter proposals for use cases and I always wondered where all that creative devkit type passion went. Probably on a couple hard drives in a lockup.

Ah yes! I remember working on this. It was born out of asking all the YC founders what they wanted to see - and anyone else we met as well. Formed the basis of our second kickstarter which we self hosted and was much more successful.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by larodi »

s0ss wrote: post #822
radlad wrote: post #814

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> We already greatly distrust f*n mobiles which eavesdrop on everyone's conversation Yet every single person carries one.

Often out of necessity. I fantasize about disconnecting, but the reality is more complicated; it would difficult for me and others around me were I to disconnect.

Perhaps very soon we also start bringing jammers of all sorts when the device is not to be trusted. Not a new concept - every sane person uses firewall and/or VPN.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by stiray »

JimDabell wrote: post #904
stiray wrote: post #878

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If you are android user, dont know about Apple, 3rd party applications are full of Facebook SDK, try installing https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/releases (and pay author a coffee, he seriously deserves it) and check the domains apps are accessing. You might figure out you are Facebook user. Just nobody told you.

This was the point of App Tracking Transparency (ATT) on iOS. If an app embeds a third-party SDK that tracks you, such as the Facebook SDK, they are required to get your permission first with a system popup. They aren’t allowed to track you silently without your knowledge.

Yes, I am aware, that Apple is trying very hard to be the only one in ecosystem, that is tracking you where you cant do anything to avoid it due to completely closed phone.

With such a cure, you don't need disease.

That is why I was using heavily modified Android.

As I could prevent Android tracking me and kick the Google spyware out of it completely.

I am now using Sailfish ( https://sailfishos.org ) and I don't need to care about Google or Apple any more. Need to patch banking app from time to time and use plastic cards, but this is acceptable (well, not from bank software but I couldn't care less, they are free to port it to linux and make it open source /s ).

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Anyway, the GDPR is requiring from applications to disclose tracking and allow you to chose what tracking if any, you will allow, before it occurs. Not only that, PIA cant be a payment for app usage.

So in theory, Apple is only enforcing what is already required from applications by EU directive.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by Meniceses »

valval wrote: post #910
Meniceses wrote: post #896

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Some people have morals and ethics and believe that its not okay to just do what facebook does without taking responsibility. You build a platform which allows you to share fake news and pay to win shit to billions? You make sure the algorithm makes you as much money as possible? You know who made sure facebook fixes this? Politics, not suckerburg.

Are your morals better than mine? Mine say that Meta is a successful business that has delivered on user demand for a solid while now. My morals also say that sharing any news, be it fake or real, should be allowed. Likewise they say making as much money as possible is admirable.

Thats just capitalsm not morals or ethics.

With power comes responsibility.

And your moral ethical construct should not just benefit you and work for you but for all.

Plenty of companies are not ethical and not your friend. If you have family and actually care, you wouldn't worry that facebook teaches them garbage? fake news? etc.? Just for the sake of making money or being allowed to do what they want?

Im curious why you would even debate morals here if your main objection is to make 'as much money as possible'? Just accept that its not a moral goal to have.

Moral would be "Making as much money as possible without hurting anyone and benefiting the society"

I often advocate things not for me. I'm quite good in understanding the facebook algorithm and all of that shit. I advocate this for my friends, familiy and other fellow humans including you.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by Meniceses »

talldayo wrote: post #906
Meniceses wrote: post #894

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Paid and provided by "Pay to win games, targeting kids, not preventing fake news (covid, human harrassment etc.), probably someone died due to lack of taking ownership/responsibility, election fraud through not acting on it. Yes i do like Llama but lets be honest who paid for it and for what. Just because suckerburg gives us nice toys... He could actually start giving his money away to humanity in a relevant and mean…

> Paid and provided by "Pay to win games, targeting kids, not preventing fake news Guess what? New iOS features and YouTube videos are paid-for and provided in the exact same way . Both Apple and Google are complicit in spreading misinformation, advertising to kids and profiting from lootbox/microtransaction revenue. But nobody consciously objects to Apple for partnering with Taboola , or Google for supporting extrem…

Apple is responsible for plenty of death in foxcon companies.

Google, is a lot different than Apple or Facebook. Google did a lot for our society through Android, Google maps, https, Gmail, Kubernetes and Search.

YouTube had a problem with fake news and especially the algorithm (flat earth etc.) but they actually acted on it a lot faster than facebook ever tried.

But yes pls don't assume something without knowing were my viewpoints are. There is no cognitive dissonance but we talk here about facebook and not about every other companie on the planet.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by zooq_ai »

vundercind wrote: post #942
zooq_ai wrote: post #940

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Facebook still has 3B happy users. It's only privileged, highly-paid coastal elites that hate FB. Zuck, can literally say GFY as they don't matter in the broad scheme of things and innovations.

My non-computer-nerd midwestern friends, some of whom are blue collar and zero of whom are anywhere near making coastal FAANG or finance money, all hate Facebook.

Ummm sure buddy. Let's bring anecdotes vs real world data

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by TeeMassive »

FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

> Incredible amount of negativity here.

Negativity isn't spared on bad actors.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by tambourine_man »

dtdynasty wrote: post #849
tambourine_man wrote: post #77

I know meta (ha) discussions are frowned upon on HN, but I never really understood why, so here it goes: This link weights in 115MB. It loads a 30MB GIF for its hero image. That's from a company that was born on and from the Web. The people that brought you React.

The person who made this post is likely not an engineer and is more focused on content and public perception than load times.

Of course, but who authorizes the launch page of a major new product to be published with no technical review? Or even, any review at all?

Does it feel right when you’re selling a device for visual consumption and the main animation takes forever to load, plays at 12fps while spiking up your CPU?

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