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Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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>It's funny because Facebook's news feed in the last couple years is unusable, filled with AI slop and clickbait. It's brutal. (i know this is my own fault for arguing with once probably) I constantly get recommend stuff about flat earth, portals around the world. It's like this weird toxic mix of new age cult with maga. More generally to all media ... What happens when flat earthers start using AI to generate videos…

There are only a few hundred genuine flat earthers. They aren't a problem. It's more of a problem to tag anyone raising questions that threaten the status quo as 'like those flat earthers'.

There are a lot of people who basically believe in a conspiracy of stupid people while at the same time believing anyone who believes in a conspiracy is stupid.

It is an amazing trick of modern propaganda. These people are so manipulated they can't even see the completely contradictory double think they are engaged in.

It just always happens to be the "dangerous" ideas are those that they don't believe in lol. How can anyone be so fucking dumb.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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I was originally monkey shakespearing ~3KB how any exposure of human skin on social media eventually leads to "that", then realized most of them don't matter. That cultural incompatibility problem only surfaces if you tried to maintain a globally unified social media. Yes, Japanese users love to jump around NSFW borderlines, dominate social network mediascape with risque contents, hates clarifying standards, opposes…

> French Battalion of Risque Artists Without Ethics It was called "New Wave Cinema". > separate entities such as US, Global, and JP. Like laptop keyboards. That shouldn't be a wrong or unjust option This is the maddest I have ever seen anyone be about Japan that didn't involve WW2. We don't even do this for China or Russia, who arguably cut themselves off in the other direction. > None of even CJKV guys except J show…

I'm not mad at the users, nor am I at GP, I just happen to know both sides of the story and it's too frustrating to watch this problem recurring and watching multiple social media getting roadkilled. It undoubtedly contributed to Twitter turmoil, it was direct cause for Mastodon Fediverse collapse, Bluesky architectural changes enough to disappoint the Twitter inventor Jack Dorsey, so on.

It's always "it". Endless massive shipments of novel artificial porn, leaking out of the nation-scale languistic and cultural isolate bubble of Japanese, which maintains internal meme-fusion self-sustainance condition and positive meme-pressure neither requiring nor exploiting meaningful amount of external contacts.

So all those efforts for Japanese compliance under self deceptions at both sides that Japanese exist on the same social graph just ends in vain. These people are both there and effectively not there. The internet has no physical dimensions and these people will happily move to wherever there is free-ridable Twitterlike infrastructure, but trying to first integrate them into something they don't intend to blend in and then trying to apply the same ethical standards used by now-minority part won't make sense(just like how IRL across-culture immigration fail unless naturalization was the voluntary goal from the beginning).

Therefore I genuinely think segregating the Internet is for the best interest of all - knowing full well that this term is historically related to situations where one of two groups enslave the others, based on my understanding that it was, unbeknownst to some, how it always had been. What's the problem formalizing that, especially if this many people are this frustrated other this particular problem.

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  - by the way, someone else in the comments said situations similar to horrible status quo GP/GGP described do not apply to Threads, which reuses Facebook infra. Just, you know, guess which country has single abnormally low Facebook adoption. Or list social media that are nice and correlate that with user countries of origin. Not by regions, but by flags.

  - wrt China: I think China and GFW is interesting one - with Google lockout, TikTok ownership controversies, collapsing white collar job market, etc. So far their closed Internet don't seem to have achieved fusion status but rather duplicating imports - I don't think censorship is sole or primary cause for that behavior; they have no issues sneaking in Inmu meme on anything from military propaganda to nickname for export HSR.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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> There are only a few hundred genuine flat earthers. How true is this? To me this has the same feeling as people dismissing Trump as a joke candidate back in 2016. People dismissing opinions that can't get behind as 'trolling". I don't doubt some just trolling but I have the sinking feeling that if we could metric it we'd be pretty dismayed at how many are not.

We probably can't agree on a number. But I think it's obvious that they'll never be large enough in modern times to affect anything besides a niche message board in some corner of the Internet.

Just like QAnon. /s

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Same here. There was nothing I could do to get my feed to not be full of provocatively insulting and irritating political posts. I’d unfollow, unfriend, block, say “show me less of this” and so on. But when I’d unfriend some person, very next thing on my feed would be political content I didn’t like from some totally random person on my friend list who I’d never interacted with. Meanwhile I’d notice that people I act…

>some totally random person on my friend list who I’d never interacted with. While the Algorithm(tm) is complete garbage, you could also probably add less Totally Random Persons(tm) to your "friends" list. If Totally Random Persons(tm) are getting added automagically, we have bigger problems.

They were people I was connected to as part of my line of trade.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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It's funny because Facebook's news feed in the last couple years is unusable, filled with AI slop and clickbait. Twitter similarly requires aggressive use of block + mute to eliminate scams, clickbait, and other content I'm not interested in. I don't know if this is due to their changes in moderation policy, or if AI has overwhelmed them, but I vastly preferred the old news feeds

A few years back it started showing me obvious political ragebait. I ignored it and then it started showing me pictures of women whose nipples were obviously showing through their clothing, which was an improvement, but still not the reason I signed up for Facebook. I've always understood it as the algorithm is looking for engagement and will try some lowest common denominator tactics to engage in it. As someone who…

Yes lowest common denominator but also the average I guess.

You see scantily clad women promoted cause many slavering str8 guys actually do frequently click on stuff like that.

Definitely you'll see that our baser instincts and emotions are taken advantage of way more often; sex, anger/outrage, desire/jealousy.

It's no wonder that "watch this super wealthy person show off their wife/cars/house/yacht" is so damn popular.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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I'm observing this happening for a while on mastodon and bluesky as well. And sometimes I'm having a feeling that there are groups who will actively drop their nsfw content in the places where it shouldn't be. Or create content that hangs on a thin line of legality that gives a dubious greenlight to stuff that is clearly explicit. I don't think there's any other way beside automatic content scanning how much I don't…

I was originally monkey shakespearing ~3KB how any exposure of human skin on social media eventually leads to "that", then realized most of them don't matter. That cultural incompatibility problem only surfaces if you tried to maintain a globally unified social media. Yes, Japanese users love to jump around NSFW borderlines, dominate social network mediascape with risque contents, hates clarifying standards, opposes…

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Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Yes, but we have to be careful about double-taxing mortgages for ordinary home-buyers. Those home purchases are already taxed by local municipalities—and in many places that hits the SALT cap.

> Yes, but we have to be careful about double-taxing mortgages for ordinary home-buyers. In the context of home ownership, a loan using an asset as collateral translates to a home-equity loan or reverse mortgage. If you want to protect ordinary home-buyers, set an asset value floor of say $20M. However, I think most share "pledging" [1] by the uber-wealthy is done using company stock as collateral, so you could restr…

That's roughly the idea.. but I would in fact support all leveraged loans and exchanges, which would still affect the very wealthy proportionately.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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I feel an exchange tax that included loans would probably be a much better approach. Taxing seated/parked assets, especially on the very wealthy seems like a recipe for disaster. So you have to sell, or leverage the property to pay taxes. What would trying to sell billions in stock at once, or leverage hundreds of thousands of rental properties look like to the larger economy, and what would the effect be? Also, who…

I love your consideration for the financial problems of some of the most privileged people in all of human history. I just don’t really care that much if they get a big tax bill (I’m sure they’ll find a way to pay) and for a variety of reasons it will be good for society.

It's not just their financial problem... I'm concerned with triggering an event that could make the great depression look like a tropical vacation by comparison.

Just for a second, imagine seeing the sale of roughly 5% of all stocks across the board... what would the side effect of that be? Since all of the very wealthy would be doing the same, that means that the prices will likely go down by more than 5% triggering more downstream sales.

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There are absolutely ways. It's not a "solvable once" problem, but it's solvable. When there is a need, there is a way. What was the last time you saw someone post porn on StackOverflow? Oh my, HOW do they do it?!

I think blocking porn is a lot easier than blocking subtle misinformation based on half-truths, e.g. "Trump said he wants to be dictator". I also think the scale is different between FB and SO, and SO has a much narrower definition of "on topic", as well.

TiKTok is notoriously heavily moderated. Try to post anything about COVID and you will get banned. Everything else is excuses.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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I feel an exchange tax that included loans would probably be a much better approach. Taxing seated/parked assets, especially on the very wealthy seems like a recipe for disaster. So you have to sell, or leverage the property to pay taxes. What would trying to sell billions in stock at once, or leverage hundreds of thousands of rental properties look like to the larger economy, and what would the effect be? Also, who…

> What would trying to sell billions in stock at once Let them pay their taxes with stocks. Problem solved.

Or tax them on the loans they take against their assets (effectively realized gains)... problem solved without tanking the economy.
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