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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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My immediate guess is that there’s more. The french secret service strikes me as much more “intelligent” than the US secret service (which I heard is mostly ran by mormons), so I would think this type of move is heavily calculated

This is the same French secret service that bungled the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior ?

You’re seriously giving an 1985 event?

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It has everything to do with both Russia and Five Eyes. Don’t be naive.

Don't spread easily checked misinformation.

Refute and “check” this one: https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1828151621651447908

TL;DR: Five Eyes is pissed traffic is encrypted and they don’t have a back door.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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From Telegram sources: >Pavel Durov faces up to 20 years in prison in France. The trial will take place very soon – sources close to the investigation. In addition to drug trafficking, he is accused of collaborating with an organized crime group, covering up for pedophiles, fraud and money laundering. I don't know how reliable this is, but I've seen in 3-4 sources that he's arrested for terrorism, child abuse, drug t…

If he intentionally cooperated with criminals then it is one thing. But if someone posted something illegal, and nobody reported this, then it obviously is not Durov's fault. If you are too lazy to report illegal content then you should arrest yourselves first.

I, for one, have reported heinous illegal content multiple times over a long time span, as well as e-mailing both their support and abuse addresses. I checked back months later, no responses to e-mails and the content was still up. Telegram has how many employees/staff and moderators for about a billion users, many of whom know exactly how exploitable the platform is? Every source I check says Telegram has just around 100 employees. What is criminal is how late this action is.

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> According to the French authorities, Durov, who is estimated to be worth €13.9 billion by Forbes, is being charged as an accomplice to crimes including drug trafficking, fraud, terrorism and crimes against children over Telegram’s alleged “lack of moderation and cooperation with law enforcement”, as well for Telegram’s use of disposable numbers, and for allowing cryptocurrency transfers that cannot be monitored by…

Basically DSA to eliminate political opponents and potential danger for establishment.

Seems more a NATO intelligence operation - apparently, there are rumours that he met recently Putin, and had extensive discussions with Kremlin officials - https://archive.is/8sdYQ . The investigation against him is pretty broad according to the charges laid against him by the French authorities - https://www.tribunal-de-paris.justice.fr/sites/default/files... (PDF, english translation from page 3).

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Don't spread easily checked misinformation.

Refute and “check” this one: https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1828151621651447908 TL;DR: Five Eyes is pissed traffic is encrypted and they don’t have a back door.

This says nothing about Russia. Try again.

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Ever since von der Leyen became president. Typical for her since she also tried the same shit in Germany.

The censorship initiatives in the west largely originate from the US „Blob“, the amalgamation of the State Department, Pentagon, CIA and the soft-power NGOs. Mike Benz, a former insider, spends his days explaining how this works. This is not the best introduction that he has done, but it is the latest space he recorded on the Telegram affair: https://x.com/mikebenzcyber/status/1827514567884255430 Update : there will…

„A turbo-charged 10 mins on Telegram as an instrument of US statecraft, why the US State Dept selectively promotes Telegram as a free speech tool in some countries but pressures gov'ts to censor Telegram in other countries, and Who Dunnit behind Pavel's arrest.“

https://x.com/mikebenzcyber/status/1828267107353583869

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That's exactly what control by gov is, otherwise they can already see public channels groups.

Even in WhatsApp which has E2EE they have reporting mechanisms so if someone starts a broadcast channel with the explicit intention of promoting illegal behaviour, it can at least be taken down by reporting. Personal experience and second hand accounts tell us that Telegram was known to mismanage these things in ways that a company of its size and impact cannot ignore. There’s a lot of false dichotomy in the ongoing…

Illegal things are going to happen mostly in physical world regardless of where they plan it. The government can catch them while they're at it or after. The governments are fear-mongering and creating a public narrative to support mass surveillance.

There are only very few illegal things that can happen within the telegram app like fraud, or minor abuse. Those must be reported by end users and individual actions can be taken against them.

What the government is asking is a massive backdoor for surveillance in the name of preventing crime, but they decide what they can monitor. It is a pandora box and if you open it there is no going back. Even if the current government is asking it with purest intentions and manage it well, the same can not be said for any next elected governments.

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No, it doesn't?

Thanks, yes, I should have said > I believe no western nation wants any messaging to be non-locally-backdoored

Actually, this seems to be the clearest way of getting rid of negatives:

> I believe all western nations want all messaging to be free of remote backdoors

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In a way, Durov's arrest retroactively vindicates every EU citizen's decision to use Telegram (up until now), as it proves that they haven't been getting what they want from him. I am not nearly as concerned about Durov himself or the government of Dubai getting to read my messages as I am about the EU or one of its member states doing so, as there simply isn't much I can see the former doing with that data. The real…

Why would you be afraid of EU LE? Unlike countries such as Iran, Russia, SA, UAE it has reasonable laws.

Paternity testing is illegal in France. Attempting to verify a very basic fact that your child is indeed yours is criminal. So is outsourcing it to other (even neighboring) countries. If French customs intercept DNA samples or results in the mail, the perpetrators can face up to a year in prison and a €15,000 fine.
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