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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Gibbon1 »

dakiol wrote: post #247
wkat4242 wrote: post #11

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Why does the US still have sanctions on them anyway? The missile crisis was 50 years ago. It's time to forgive.

Why did the US drop 2 nuclear bombs on Japan? Why the US is keeping Israel as their toy? Why the US entered the Vietnam war (hint: no, not to avoid the spread of communism). US is the bad boy of this planet, just because they can.

> Why did the US drop 2 nuclear bombs on Japan?

Japan declared war on the US. Didn't surrender when it became obvious they were going to lose and instead decided to inflict as many casualties on the as they could on the way down. So they got nuked.

> Why the US is keeping Israel as their toy?

The US inherited a lot of messes after WWII. Not really the US fault the Palestinians always make bad choices.

> Why the US entered the Vietnam war (hint: no, not to avoid the spread of communism)

Hint you are 100% self servingly wrong about that.

> US is the bad boy of this planet, just because they can

I've come to the opinion people that say this are upset that the US stands in the way of some nastiness they want to inflict on someone.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by ossobuco »

phyzix5761 wrote: post #943
ossobuco wrote: post #786

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> we don't want to fund what their government is doing What is their government doing that is so terrible? Anyway let's suppose Cuba is a brutal dictatorship, even though it really isn't by any metric. Why are there no sanctions on Saudi Arabia? Why no sanctions on Taiwan during the white terror? Why no sanctions on Chile when they threw alive protesters from flying helicopters? I could go on for a while.

My whole family was murdered by the government of Cuba because they verbally disagreed with Fidel and communism. No crimes other than speaking out were committed. That's what they're doing that is so terrible.

That's how revolutions work, if you disagree you usually get killed.

The thing is that people would get killed for disagreeing even under Batista. If your family was happy with Batista then I don't think they were in a clean line of business.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by nobodyandproud »

whydoineedthis wrote: post #773
hadlock wrote: post #628

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What I can't understand is WHY are the people who escaped for a better life, pro embargo... What, 70 years later? Seems like it's only being highly effective at hurting the general population

My father migrated from Cuba in the 60's and anytime I asked him whether it was worth me visiting he promptly said "No, absolutely not. Don't even waste your time considering it. Castro ruined it and it will never be the same". I think the moral is that for many Cubans the embargo isn't against the people, it's against the Cuban government, and they genuinely hate the government with every fiber of their existence. T…

The handful of Cubans I've known over the years expressed the same sentiment: Intense hatred for Castro and the Cuban government.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by southernplaces7 »

noduerme wrote: post #322
gottorf wrote: post #201

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

>I don't think the evidence definitively supports the conclusion that it's down to which group. Europe has a problem with integration that has its roots in the ethnic character of its states (something America does not have), in deep-seated xenophobia that causes social exclusion of immigrant or out-groups, and in the fact that its states' reasons for existence are based on tribal boundaries and wars for territory rather than on achieving broader democratic and economic flourishing by harnessing the capability of the whole population. And thus Europe presents neither a dream of integration nor a path toward integration (as in, "to become American"; there is neither an equivalent aspiration nor option "to become French"). And then, once again, Europe blames the groups it refuses to accept.

Strongly agreed on most of these points.

The U.S. on the one hand, for all the accusations of racism leveled against it (sometimes rightly) is generally very accepting towards immigrants and integrates them with surprisingly little xenophobia after a while. The U.S. has been doing this for many generations across many different ethnic groups and almost universally, after a couple or more generations, they identify more as americans than as members of their culture of origin, by far. Historically there has been tension and racism throughout this process but it tends to fade and millions of people of many ethnicities join the American mainstream remarkably well.

Also, it helps that American society and culture are extremely charismatic in the eyes of much of the world in a way that powerfully encourages the desire to integrate among immigrants, and especially their kids.

Most European societies don't have either of the above traits nearly as much as the U.S.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Nasrudith »

roamerz wrote: post #542
BenFranklin100 wrote: post #503

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If voters are concerned about crime, then the need to educated that immigrants, even illegal immigrants, have crime rates about the same as Americans at large.

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If we are applying that emotionally charged nonsense as a standard then why not apply the same standard to the victims of police murders and conclude that the police need deported? Or exilr all doctors given the number of molesters among them?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Nasrudith »

renegade-otter wrote: post #740
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

It's sad and painfully ironic that the same escapees of the regime will almost exclusively vote for Republicans. Cubans are very similar to ex-Soviet expats in that regard, something I can speak to firsthand. The GOP found a magic word to "unlock" these people. Say the word "socialism" and all logic centers immediately shut down. It is replaced by panic and fear. No data or common sense is helpful - ask them to choos…

The bolsheviks spared the Romanovs and their servants instead of brutally murdering them all? That is a very novel view of history.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by renegade-otter »

Nasrudith wrote: post #987
renegade-otter wrote: post #740

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It's sad and painfully ironic that the same escapees of the regime will almost exclusively vote for Republicans. Cubans are very similar to ex-Soviet expats in that regard, something I can speak to firsthand. The GOP found a magic word to "unlock" these people. Say the word "socialism" and all logic centers immediately shut down. It is replaced by panic and fear. No data or common sense is helpful - ask them to choos…

The bolsheviks spared the Romanovs and their servants instead of brutally murdering them all? That is a very novel view of history.

You had to go back all the way to the revolution, by its nature a violent, brutal event, to make a point? Which just proves mine.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by meepmorp »

alwa wrote: post #929
kgwgk wrote: post #822

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China is Cuba's main commercial partner but their relationship is purely commercial. A military cooperation has surely not even crossed their minds.

E.g. https://features.csis.org/hiddenreach/china-cuba-spy-sigint/

Spy stations aren't at all close to the level of provocation that missile launcher would be - the former have been around for decades, the latter nearly caused WWIII about 62 years ago.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by TapWaterBandit »

Galanwe wrote: post #883
TapWaterBandit wrote: post #442

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> Given a choice between an embargo by the US or embargo by the rest of the world, cuba and every country in the world would choose 'the rest of the world'. No way is this true. Look at this list of countries by biggest trade partners (import & export) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_leading_t... . You really think countries will willing choose to trade with the USA over the rest of the world when…

> You really think countries will willing choose to trade with the USA over the rest of the world when it isn't the biggest destination for their exports nor their major source of imports? Why would they do that exactly? Yes, any day. Because US embargos prevent you from trading in USD, which is pretty much the de facto currency for any trade due to its stability and backing. Also, even if you manage to settle your t…

Dream on, dude. Look into how the sanctions against Russia are going, not very well.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/66dfc09e-c94a-4846-a4e2-60d...

I swear some Americans seem to think the world they live in is from 1955 or 1975 or something. The US is just one player amongst many, a very important one but by no means the paramount one for every country in the world. The idea it is simply isn't backed by facts on the ground.

So yea, if forced to choose between USA vs Rest of World virtually every country will choose RoW. Americans are delusional if they think they can just snap their fingers and everybody else will jump to attention.

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