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The pro-Israel information war

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Post by esjeon »

Animats wrote: post #964
esjeon wrote: post #854

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AFAIK, US cannot just "sit out", because the Israel-Palestine conflict can negatively impact the US-Saudi relationship. Even though Saudi shares some common interests with Israel (i.e. Iran), it simply can't look away from the sufferings of Muslims in Palestine, given its role as a major power in the Islamic world. Also, if Israel takes the control of the Gaza Strip, a lot of refugees will spread in the region, creat…

> the US-Saudi relationship. Less of an issue than it used to be. The US is now a net oil exporter.[1] [1] https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-produc...

It's not about oil, but about the geopolitics and the American strategy against China and Russia. It's a very complex topic, so it would be quicker for you to just read the fact sheet from the US government: https://www.state.gov/united-states-saudi-arabia-relationshi...

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Post by wslh »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #972
wslh wrote: post #938

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It is weird but this thread was not flagged but all of these were: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38582486 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38582471 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38582239

The hn admins allegedly vetted that one.

Vetted after zillions of comments?

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by 38529977thrw »

jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

It is an interesting contrast to the situation in 'editorial rooms' (not virtual tiktok rooms) where most decision makers globally get their information. Some head of state in country X (entangled "innocent"* bystander state) is being bombarded by pro-Israeli 'official news organs' not some rando with a tiktok account.

* All those ignored UN resolutions

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Post by ChumpGPT »

fxd123 wrote: post #859
ChumpGPT wrote: post #658

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Tell me do you think the Palestinians deserve their own country?

Yes, as long as they can avoid shooting rockets at their neighbors. Which is sadly not the case right now

Yeah, I don't agree with shooting rockets indiscriminately into Israel is the right thing or killing regular people. But there is the chance they are shooting rockets because Zionists believe they shouldn't have a homeland and have been killing regular Palestinians for a long time.

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Post by raincom »

digianarchist wrote: post #865
DevX101 wrote: post #229

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AIPAC itself is a result of the President Eisenhower and later Robert F Kennedy (DOJ) demanding the American Zionist Council (AZC) register as foreign agents. Because of this, the AZC rebranded to AIPAC with the same leadership and the issue seemed to have fell off the high priority political radar since. Incidentally, the founder of AIPAC, Isaiah Kenen registered twice with the U.S. Department of Justice under the F…

Two questions: 1. Does AIPAC's use of dual-citizens (American-Israelis) allow it to circumvent the Foreign Agent Registration Act? 2. Is there any other analog to AIPAC operating in the United States for a foreign nation?

I vaguely remember from John Mearsheimer's talk that AIPAC doesn't use any funds from Israel. Instead, AIPAC funds come from American citizens, that makes them evade FARA.

From Wiki: 'FARA requires those who receive funds or act on behalf of a foreign government to register as a foreign agent. However, AIPAC states that the organization is a registered American lobbying group, funded by private donations, and maintains it receives "no financial assistance" from Israel or any other foreign group'

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Post by ars »

waffleiron wrote: post #554
ars wrote: post #292

Please keep in mind this was posted on the Eve of the Jewish Shabbath (in the US, and in the middle of the Shabbath in Israel), so the conversation here is missing a lot of voices.

Also keep in mind Gaza has been cut of from electricity and internet, many there have been killed. The conversation is missing a lot of voices

Nice snarky reply, but what you are saying is around 0.11% of Muslims can't talk here, but around 30% of Jews can't.

Not exactly comparable.

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Post by markdown »

edanm wrote: post #887
markdown wrote: post #809

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> If Israel could remove Hamas without injuring any non-combatants I think they would. Surely you jest. How is this attack supposed to remove Hamas? It seems designed to strengthen Hamas, just as Israel has been supporting Hamas since their formation. The existence of Hamas prevents a united Palestinian people while simultaneously giving Israel the excuse to reject a 2-state solution. If Hamas didn't exist, Israel wo…

> Surely you jest. How is this attack supposed to remove Hamas? It seems designed to strengthen Hamas, just as Israel has been supporting Hamas since their formation. This attack is supposed to remove Hamas by killing them, or forcing them to surrender. There's a lot of legit criticism of what Israel is doing, but if you think it's designed to bolster Hamas, then you're really misunderstanding what's happening.

That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. How do you kill a political movement? After all this slaughter, there'll be thousands more terrorists willing to fight the occupying force that's killed their parents and children.

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Post by LouWwjdSee »

dorongrinstein wrote: post #547

There are about 1.8 Billion Muslims on planet earth. There are about 15 Million Jews on the planet. There are about 120 Muslims for every Jewish person. In Israel there are about 7 million Jews. The anti Israel propaganda and blatant lies on social media is sickening. To someone who knows what's on the ground, reading countless 100% false posts from many (not all!) Muslims and Palestinian supporters is downright scar…

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Post by incomingpain »

From my anecdotal point of view, there's nothing but pro-Palestinian stuff that I see here in Canada.

There are signs about 'stop the occupation' literally all over my city.

Sorry, but it looks like the Palestinians are the ones winning this information war. They broke the peace, they attacked israel, they are the ones responsible for this ongoing war.

If you condemn Russia for them breaking the peace and starting a war. Then you condemn the Palestinians just as much.

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