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Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by roflyear »

Davidzheng wrote: post #711
roflyear wrote: post #157

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Try this: There's this person standing in a field, and with them is a balloon, a vacuum cleaner, and a magical creature of unknown origin. They need to get across to the woods at the end of the field, and do so safely. They can only go together: they get very, extremely lonely if they do not travel together, and they will not be safe because of this loneliness. If left together, the baloon would suck up the vacuum cl…

Actually gpt4 gets this right 2/2 times i tried

Strange, I actually haven't had it get it correct. Maybe just luck.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by nopromisessir »

mycologos wrote: post #889
naikrovek wrote: post #848

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it's always nice to see HN commenters with so much confidence in themselves that they feel they know a situation better than the people who are actually in the situation being discussed . Do you really believe that they don't have skilled people on staff? Do you really believe that your knowledge of what OpenAI is doing is a superset of the knowledge of the people who work at OpenAI? give me 0.1% of your confidence a…

The people inside a cult are not the most trustworthy sources for what the cult is doing.

This is defamatory and unfounded.

OpenAI is exploring the limits of computation.

The more I see this kind of unfounded slander, the more confident I become that this outfit might be the most important in the face of planet earth.

So many commentors here are starting to sound like priests of the Spanish inquisition. Do you seriously expect a community of technologist and science advocates to be fearful of such assertions without evidence? It's a waste of breath. All credibility just leaves the room instantly.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by Exoristos »

Garvi wrote: post #874
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #865

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I'm going to be this guy, but isn't it just Pythagoras theorem with a slight twist which is taught at 11 - 14 year old levels? It only sounds complicated because of the words used like "complex", "imaginary", "real". So if you studied Pythagoras at school and someone (a YouTube video) says you just have to do Pythagoras on the i multiplier and the other number, it would be fairly easy if you understand Pythagoras?

I remember some time ago watching an episode of the Joe Rogan show(it had some comedic value back then) He and his friends were talking about the MIT admittance exam, pointing out the square root in the maths problem as an indication that this math problem was really hard. And I thought to myself "that's what primary school children learn around here at age 12 in my literally 3rd world country". Pythagoras was around…

I'm in the U.S., and we learned those things around that age too, maybe a little older.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by vidarh »

wegfawefgawefg wrote: post #957
sgt101 wrote: post #774

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Can LLM's compute any computable function? I thought that an LLM can approximate any computable function, if the function is within the distribution that it is are trained on. I think it's jolly interesting to think about different axiomizations in this context. Also we know that LLM's can't do a few things - arithmetic, inference & planning are in there. They look like they can because they retrieve discussions from…

ML still cant do sin. Functions that repeat periodically.

What exactly is it you think it can't do? It can explain and apply a number of methods for calculating sin. For sin it knows the symmetry and periodicity, and so will treat requests for sin of larger values accordingly. To convince it to continue to write out the numbers for an arbitrary large number of values without emitting "... continue like this" or similar shortcut a human told to do annoyingly pointless repetitive work would also be prone to prefer is indeed tricky, but there's nothing to suggest it can't do it.

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Post by seanhunter »

patrick451 wrote: post #973
seanhunter wrote: post #735

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There is a general result in machine learning known as "the bitter lesson"[1], which is that methods which come from specialist knowledge tend to be beaten by methods which rely on brute force computation in the long run because of Moore's law and the ability to scale things by distributed computing. So the reason people don't use the "add instruction"[2] for example is that over the last 70 years of attempting to bu…

When you say "a general result", what does that mean? In my world, a general result is something which is rigorously proved, e.g., the fundamental theorem of algebra. But this seems to be more along the lines of "we have lots of examples of this happening". I'm certainly no expert, but it seems to me that Wolfram Alpha provides a counterexample to some extent, since they claim to fuse expert knowledge and "AI" (not s…

As someone else pointed out I've used that term wrong. Rule of thumb/observation you might better say.

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Post by marvin »

nopromisessir wrote: post #828
marvin wrote: post #671

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Yudkowsky’s doomsday cult almost blew OpenAI to pieces and sent everyone who knows the details in the wind like dandelion seeds. What’s next? A datacenter bombing or killing key researchers? We should be happy that this particular attempt failed, because this cult is only capable of strategic actions that make things far more dangerous. This will be solved like all other engineering and science: with experiments and…

They seem rigid. Also non violent. I think if we have a major AI induced calamity... Then I worry much more. Although... Enough scary capability in a short enough period of time... I could see violence being on the table for the more radical amongst the group. Your concern is very interesting though, and I think important to consider. I wonder if the FBI agrees.

When Yudkowsky says that it’s an acceptable outcome to be left with a minimum viable breeding population after a nuclear war, triggered by enforcement of AI slowdown demands, that is as far from non-violent you could get without someone actually being threatened directly.

The AI doom cult is not a peaceful movement. When an extremist tells you what they will do, you damn well listen to them.

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Post by marvin »

Robin_Message wrote: post #844
marvin wrote: post #671

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Yudkowsky’s doomsday cult almost blew OpenAI to pieces and sent everyone who knows the details in the wind like dandelion seeds. What’s next? A datacenter bombing or killing key researchers? We should be happy that this particular attempt failed, because this cult is only capable of strategic actions that make things far more dangerous. This will be solved like all other engineering and science: with experiments and…

> It’s bad for the bottom line to be dead. I have no overall position, but climate change and nuclear weapons seem two quite strong counterexamples to this being a sufficient condition for safety.

Nuclear weapons and climate change are not on a path to destroy civilization. Such an interpretation is obvious hyperbole.

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Post by jonplackett »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #527
jonplackett wrote: post #128

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Would explain by Microsoft so quick to bag him if they were about to be exclused

Exclused? That doesn’t appear to be a word in the English language.

Yeah I wish chatGPT could live in my autocorrect - excluded.

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Post by xanderlewis »

swatcoder wrote: post #514
muskmusk wrote: post #503

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If you ask Ilya Sutskever he will say your kids head is full of neurons, so is LLMs. LLMs comsume training data and can then be asked questions. How different is that to your son watching YouTube and then answering questions? It's not 1:1 the same,yet, but it's in the neighborhood.

There are thousands of structures and substances in a human head besides neurons, at all sorts of commingling and overlapping scales, and the neurons in those heads behave much differently and with tremendously more complexity than the metaphorical ones in a neural network. And in a human, all those structures and substances, along with the tens of thousands more throughout the rest of the body, are collectively read…

Even if they are very different (less complex at the neuron level?) to us, do you still think they’ll never be able to achieve similar results (‘truly’ understanding and developing pure mathematics, for example)? I agree that LLMs are less impressive than it may initially seem (although still very impressive), but it seems perfectly possible to me that such systems could in principle do our job even if they never think quite like we do.
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