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Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by nunez »

technofiend wrote: post #503
nunez wrote: post #110

This killed nitter. Fuck. I guess I'm done with Twitter. Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is next, I'll probably be mostly done with the Internet. This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :(

I mean I consider this a huge win: delete your Twitter account and never again will you be tempted to go read a tweet. If only I could set an anonymous expat cookie for all the services I've left behind letting them know "No, seriously: I left and I'm never coming back. No reason to track me, show me your content or ask me to login." Where's my restraining order cookie telling Facebook to fuck off outta my life, neve…

that's a good point

i havent' logged into twitter since forever but still have accounts

i need to delete them

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by cramjabsyn »

kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Doesn't really make sense… What prevents a logged in bot from continuing to scrape vast amounts of data?

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by rektide »

agluszak wrote: post #17

Putting the internet in the hands of corporations was the worst thing that ever happened to technology

No one put it there.

We the people were inactive & didn't figure out how to weave together our individual & community sites to create a compelling multi-party space.

Or we could try to create alternative centralized but non-corporate systems. Not sure what other options there are.

I don't like where we are either. But new power has to be created. Hard work of figuring out protocols to converse across & usefully home our content/words on is sort of just beginning.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

valeg wrote: post #737
coldpie wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Blue Sky is the most promising replacement I've seen, but it's just another for profit company, so it will follow the same pattern eventually. I think an official government Mastodon or similar would work, but it really needs to be something hosted by a competent IT dept (meaning federal, in the US), with strict and well considered policies (who gets an account on it?) and with massive buy-in at all level…

Twitter had a brilliant brand (which is now tainted). Chirping birds, positive visual. BlueSky shortens to BS and mastodon is an extinct animal. Lemmy, on the other hand, is kinda cool.

But that's reminiscent of lemmings. Which may not actually group-jump off of cliffs to their deaths, but that's the popular image that comes up.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

__loam wrote: post #179
ChatGTP wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funnily enough I always respected him for keeping it login free. I thought this was about his town / square free speech vision. Now I can never see myself going near the site again. Oh well.

I don't know how anyone can respect a man who calls a professional rescue working trying to save kids from a cave flood a pedophile. Musk has always been a piece of shit.

He also got off the hook for slander/libel by claiming "pedo guy" is a nickname.

So clearly calling musk a "pedo guy" is just an affectionate nickname, too.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by Traittor »

nunez wrote: post #110

This killed nitter. Fuck. I guess I'm done with Twitter. Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is next, I'll probably be mostly done with the Internet. This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :(

I just made an updated tool that should work

Replace http://twitter.com by http://traittor.net

http://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1675187969420828672

to

http://traittor.net/elonmusk/status/1675187969420828672

Is normally bypassing no registered account and limit by day.

Unfortunately it does not work with all the tweets and especially the recent ones

Have fun :)

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by DropInIn »

harshreality wrote: post #917
benjaminwootton wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon has a good point there. Much of the current AI hotness is predicated on stealing peoples content and exploiting the infrastructure that other people have built. I don’t think it’s acceptable. The licenses, compensation models, law, technical solutions, attribution, security and privacy all need time to catch up. Regulation has a role to play as its a bit of a free for all right now. The irony of Elon mentioning…

Please don't throw around the word "stealing" so loosely. Scraping data from a public website is not "stealing". It might be a violation of the terms of service, but then you have the whole issue of click-through (formerly shrink-wrap) licenses and contracts of adhesion. If someone isn't vetting you and potentially signing you to a more meaningful contract before giving you access, for free, to data, then using that…

Heres the thing about the ToC and licenses:

Bots aren't people and can't read nor consent. They just consume.

Any page which can be served without first displaying a ToC or other terms which explicitly prohibit access is not protected by a ToC or other license from scraping, as they can be considered a Point of First Contact in each case, as the bot has selected each link from a simple aggregation of all links it encounters (each interaction being "new" in essence).

Now it could be argued that ignoring robots.txt is an explicit contravention of norms and standards which could be viewed as a violation of an implicit licence, but there is no law requiring adherence to robots.txt and thus no mandate that a program even look for it iiuc.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by j5155 »

qingcharles wrote: post #932
weinzierl wrote: post #698

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate that attitude and value it myself, but I like to point out that it is not without risk. If the world around HN (including its community) changes, stasis can damage or kill it as well. Specifically regarding the issue of the original posting: - HN is already an important data source for large language model training. [1] - To the best of my knowledge there is no freely downloadable and current data dump o…

I don't expect HN give a fuck about the scraping. It's pure HTML, no images, probably cached all to hell for users who aren't logged in anyway. The one thing I see as a future issue is that people are starting to post comments that clearly look like they were manufactured by ChatGPT and friends. Or that could just be the way some people talk and I've spent too long with ChatGPT now and start to smell it everywhere.

I mean, given that AI might be trained on HN, maybe it’s ChatGPT saying things that sound like HN commenters…

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by mhoad »

fallingknife wrote: post #563
chris_wot wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven’t we been predicting twitter’s degradation for some time? When Musk removed half of his employees many of us realised systems would remain running for some time, but at a certain point they would start degrading without intervention. The more Musk makes changes, the faster it degrades.

How much time is it that the systems will remain running? Because it's been 9 months now and Twitter is still running fine. Time to admit that theory has been disproven.

Why do people humiliate themselves like this?

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

thowawatp302 wrote: post #693
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #677

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait until you realize that highly centralized businesses are a feature, not a bug. We've BEEN through federated platforms before. We've even been through PROTOCOLS before. They're all horrible. The successor to any platform that currently exists will have slight improvements to what already exists, and that's IF they're able to do so. I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do have over 30 years of being around soci…

Every time someone says this they forget the internet itself is a federated platform.

Every time someone says this it's because they don't have a credible counterargument to the central premise.
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