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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by throwaway894345 »

not2b wrote: post #809
throwaway894345 wrote: post #797

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I don’t know anything about Mission Local, but reading of the article prior to reading your comment left me with the impression that the author was really invested in this being a targeted killing. The first part of the article started strong, and then it felt like the author was grinding a political axe, though I’m sure it’s in response to other articles grinding different axes. It was a well-written article to be s…

Looks like the author had very good reason to think that this was a targeted killing, as in, if the suspect did it it was a targeted killing. Jumping to the conclusion that some homeless guy or street thug did it, without any evidence, is also something that people with axes to grind do on a regular basis.

I’m not disputing that the killing was targeted; like I said, the first part of the article (which had already expressed the targeted nature pretty clearly) was solid. It was the subsequent axe grinding that I took issue with.

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Post by roryirvine »

ActorNightly wrote: post #424
Aeolun wrote: post #221

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For comparison, Japan has 0.3, the UK has 1.1 and France has 1.3. I know they’re in the linked table, just wanted to mention that even the best city in the US is still relatively bad.

Birmingham UK has way higher numbers https://www.bhamwiki.com/w/Birmingham_homicides_by_year

That wiki is about Birmingham in the US.

By comparison, there were 93 murders in 2022 in the West Midlands (the UK region encompassing Birmingham, UK). That's a rate of 1.56 per 100,000 population, which I agree is pretty bad - but it's almost 50x less than the equivalent for the US city.

(source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/288221/number-of-homicid...)

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by roflyear »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #928
roflyear wrote: post #905

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Most people saying that probably didn't even live in California. Awful people

Wait. I can't have an opinion about places other than my immediate surrounding?

I'm not saying you can't, you are of course free to do whatever you want. I'm saying it doesn't make much sense (to me).

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Post by kodah »

uncletaco wrote: post #971
kodah wrote: post #912

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I'd say that the lesson learned needs to be broader than that. Any time Texas, California, Portland etc are mentioned the culture warriors of the left and right come out. The effect is a lot of lost trust for each other in this community when that happens. I do appreciate the people who posted on the other thread saying they were wrong about assuming a homeless person did it, but this won't be the last time culture w…

"Both sides"

I get quite tired of catty replies like this. If you think "your side" doesn't contribute to an ecosystem of cause and effect I don't know what to tell you. If you're so fragile that you need to hear it spelled out, "The right is still on average worse than you but you're still bad" then I also don't know what to tell you. Maybe, just, don't participate in discourse or something. Your opinion isn't needed, wanted, or appreciated.

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Post by dntrkv »

maratbn wrote: post #884
dbg31415 wrote: post #790

It did strike me as really odd a 43 year-old man would be out walking around at 2:30 AM... It'll be interesting when more details come out. All the "SF is going downhill!" stuff that came out... seems pretty irrelevant given this wasn't a random act of violence.

Bars close at 2 am

There are a few spots in soma open way later than that.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

roflyear wrote: post #983
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #928

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Wait. I can't have an opinion about places other than my immediate surrounding?

I'm not saying you can't, you are of course free to do whatever you want. I'm saying it doesn't make much sense (to me).

You may be focusing on the negative aspect of it ( and possibly only one perspective, but I will wait for your response to confirm if that is the case ). As a potential tourist, opinion of others of a given locale will make a difference in deciding whether I will want to visit. In other words, it absolutely makes sense to not only hold, but even seek out opinion of other places. But, in line with what you said, we are not all wired the same way. Still, just because it does not make sense to you does not mean others don't see value in it.

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Post by pb7 »

rodgerd wrote: post #868
thethethethe wrote: post #771

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There is def a vendetta but you see the same things in r/sanfrancisco and other places as well so it's not limited to HN

A lot of city (and country) subs on reddit are overrun with people who don't live in the place commenting on what a hell-hole it is. We see this in New Zealand every time something gets international attention, and it's very obvious given time zones and posting volumes.

There is very little incentive for someone to believe that there is a better place to live than the one they're in and all the ego stroking to believe otherwise.

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Post by stuaxo »

justizin wrote: post #756
Convolutional wrote: post #681

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After the murder, I had to read scores of comments like this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35456168 ) about the homeless, need for more law enforcement (although the US already incarcerates more of its population than any industrialized country) etc. I had to read scores of tech bros in the professional-managerial class whinge about the poor, about black lives matter and how this was due to "progressivism".…

I saw a reply to a thread on twitter where a woman said to one of his friends, something like, “sorry to burst your bubble but bob was a champion of ‘diversity’” and if that isn’t saying that quiet part out loud, hoof.

Jeez, their racist comment aged incredibly badly.

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Post by stuaxo »

jwestbury wrote: post #975
tomcam wrote: post #954

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> people made homeless by the enormous wealth disparity There’s a tiny possibility that feckless bureaucrats, billions of dollars spent with no oversight, mental illness, and drug addiction share just a sliver of the responsibility

Sure, though if we're talking about crime, inequality is probably the strongest correlation to crime rates.[0] "In industrialised societies, the prevalence of exploitation, in the form of crime, is related to the distribution of economic resources: more unequal societies tend to have higher crime, as well as lower social trust." 0. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-80897-8

Very HN that your comment is down voted.

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Post by confidantlake »

dang wrote: post #960
confidantlake wrote: post #848

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The last thread was full of people advocating a violent police response to the homeless and this is the comment you choose to take a stand over?

It's more or less random which comments we "choose to take a stand over". If we see people breaking the rules, we ask them not to. There's no implication of a total ordering, or any hierarchy of abuse. The idea that if comment X says one thing and Y says another and we reply to X but not Y, that means we're endorsing "violent police responses to the homeless", is... not valid. It's not possible for us to see everythi…

I never claimed or implied that you are endorsing anything. Tolerating and endorsing are different things.

The thread was full of people blaming the homeless for the murder before any facts were known and calling for a response. Not one or two comments, a thread full of them.

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