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Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Can we take a minute to re-direct this conversation away from just the politics of SF? I want to draw attention to Bob Lee, a well-respected technologist and prototype hacker, always curious and sharing lots of interesting technical developments. He was a great role model for how Engineers should be respected in an executive capacity as he advanced his career from 'Software' to 'Product'. His efforts contributed to t…

Yeah, thanks so much. I actually had regret for engaging and piling on to a comment. It was pretty tasteless on my part :(

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Its a real bummer with SF, but the problems are totally self inflicted. If the politics were of a different breed I could see it being one of the best cities to live in the US, let alone the world. Having worked there for close to a decade the stuff I have seen was really depressing. I visited my cousin who works at Ouster nearby for lunch one day and was wondering what all these white casings were littering the grou…

> until residents in SF start voting different The author here confesses his disconnect with the majority of people in San Francisco. This assessment is correct - the author and his views are disconnected from those of the majority of working people in San Francisco. The magnitude of the wealth disparity in San Francisco is almost hard to comprehend. Many in this thread have advocated militarizing the city, and clean…

nobody is advocating getting rid of poor people - the chief complaint is about crime going unpunished, and even rewarded.

Lots of places have poverty, not all of them have the level of crime that SF has

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I come from Ciudad Juarez. Between 2008-2011, the city was the murder capital in the world and basically unlivable. My brother and I were no longer living there because we were in college. My parents decided to send my sister, then starting highschool, to a city in central Mexico with friends of the family to avoid having her grow up in what was a life and death environment. My parents stayed. Mexicans speak a lot ab…

For me it's weird you think that the origin of crime is lack of order. I mean that's the last step in a deteriorating society, but the actual reason comes much before. It's an unfairness a lack of common narrative of well being. And most of all it's from education being neglected and families being broken. The order part you get at the end, after the rot festers.

A person can reasonably disagree with the comment you are replying to, but is not weird: it is a very common opinion that you've probably seen or heard many times.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I come from Ciudad Juarez. Between 2008-2011, the city was the murder capital in the world and basically unlivable. My brother and I were no longer living there because we were in college. My parents decided to send my sister, then starting highschool, to a city in central Mexico with friends of the family to avoid having her grow up in what was a life and death environment. My parents stayed. Mexicans speak a lot ab…

San Francisco has been ceding its monopoly of violence for years if not decades. Trends suggest otherwise: https://www.ppic.org/publication/crime-trends-in-california/ The big peak in violent crime in the 1990s is the crack epidemic. I personally saw driveby shooting attacks and personal murders in broad daylight; 24th street (and the Mission in general) used to be considered a no-go area by folk in better-off neighb…

> It seems to me that the basic problem in SF is wealth disparity.

Indeed, I hate when wealth disparity breaks into my car.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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There are enough comments on here that I am probably not adding much new, but I lived in SF for 10 years until recently. When I arrived (from New York City) I thought — hey, it's a bit sketchy but not so bad overall. I think it got progressively worse every year. I have no idea what policy changes would help, but it's the only place I've ever been where I saw crime being committed in broad daylight. It's the only pla…

>It's the only place where leaving anything within sight in a parked car results in a break-in. A fucking bag of potato chips once.

Another signal that tremendous wealth inequality in a confined region is a microcosm of what's at the root of similar outcomes around the US?

Many in the comments seem to blame local politics/policies when it's clear the major contributing factors are inflation, economic downturns, mass layoffs, etc... these have been a long time coming, were never evenly geographically distributed, and aren't created or solvable at the local political level.

The relatively minor recent attempts at criminal justice reform being used as the scapegoat for these outcomes is a distraction at best.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Here are some statistics that might help the discussion: "With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 18." https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#des... A…

I’m in process of leaving SF. As someone who has lived all over the world, what a mismanaged town. That being said, I think SF ended up this way not only due to that, but also due to national issues. Lack of safety nets, lack of healthcare, lack of worker rights, etc.

Shouldn't a city stand on its own ?

What makes Austin shine, and SF not ?

Don't national issues affect everyone more or less equally ? And even if they didn't, why is it that the outcomes are so wildly different between SFO and comparable large cities that have huge net inflows of people ?

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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he promoted the very same policies that lead to him being murdered

You broke the site guidelines badly with this comment. We ban accounts that do that. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Note particularly the one about ideological battle.

Separately from that, you also broke the intended topic of this thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457341), I'm going to move the post to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 now.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I come from Ciudad Juarez. Between 2008-2011, the city was the murder capital in the world and basically unlivable. My brother and I were no longer living there because we were in college. My parents decided to send my sister, then starting highschool, to a city in central Mexico with friends of the family to avoid having her grow up in what was a life and death environment. My parents stayed. Mexicans speak a lot ab…

I've detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454781 and moved it to the top level (just for technical reasons - the first page of the thread is currently too comment-heavy).

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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post #671

Speaking as an immigrant - Worked in SF most of last decade. Left in 2018. Crime was on a steady uptick while I was there. Once in the Bart, a young man grabbed a cellphone from the guy seated right next to me & bolted out of the train. The train started, and the cellphone owner gave chase. The Bart police arrived soon after, with guns pointed straight at the passengers. The robber was fast and jumped over the turnst…

I've detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454781 and moved it to the top level (just for technical reasons - the first page of the thread is currently too comment-heavy).
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