Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ksec » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 6:41 PM UTC

Dalewyn wrote: post #69

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>1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. That did not have enough ram 3 years ago... the fact they are still trying to sell 8GB as an useful amount outside of extremely budget laptops is insane.

Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

I just wish the Baseline for Computer in 2023 could be 10GB, or even 12GB. It doesn't need to double to 16GB, but there are lots of situation where 8GB would cause paging. And macOS doesn't really optimise for paging speed.

Also remember, the GPU also uses memory. 8GB isn't even the same as 8GB when iGPU wasn't a thing.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by SoftTalker » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 9:18 PM UTC

chongli wrote: post #875

SoftTalker wrote: post #693

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Chances are he's already using gmail, chrome, and google search. But yeah, Chromebook is a full-on google walled garden.

I got my dad to stop using Gmail, Chrome, and Google search. He uses DuckDuckGo now!

Well good for you. Still I think it's unusual. Any time I've tried to get anyone to use DuckDuckGo they look at me like I'm insane.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by type0 » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 10:17 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #916

oblio wrote: post #771

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I could also pick the biggest minority group in the US, and trust me, Turks have a much better life in Germany.

The largest minority group in the US is Hispanics. White Americans have a median household income 36% higher than the median household income of Hispanics. The median income of Germans is almost double the median income of Turkish Germans.

There are different kind of Hispanics in US and they are treated differently

Why don't Americans put all German speakers into the same group as well and call them Germanics?

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by type0 » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 10:28 PM UTC

astrange wrote: post #626

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Not quite shooting. They are actually not given guns so they have to fist it out. Just a little bit of theater for those provinces. To think that would stop them from commercing with each other is wishful thinking

Huh, I knew there had been actual deaths but not that it was hand to hand combat…

Sticks and stones...

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by lowkey » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 12:34 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #862

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The "shills" are not wrong. Every single currency that ever existed went to zero. The USD will be no exception. Honestly, BTC will be no exception either.

> Every single currency that ever existed went to zero False, and you give two examples that disprove the claim: > The USD will be no exception. Honestly, BTC will be no exception either. See, that’s two that have not gone to zero (there ate lots more), but which you merely conjecture will.

The US dollar has lost 99% of its purchasing power since the creation of the Federal Reserve.

The minimum wage in the US in 1964 was $1.25/hour. Notably those five quarters were 90% silver worth about $20 US today.

The British Pound Sterling originally referred to £1 being exchangeable for 1 pound of sterling silver or 1/270th of it’s original value.

It’s technically true that they haven’t gone to literally zero, but I would hazard to say it is close enough.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by jlokier » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 1:01 AM UTC

jandrese wrote: post #705

game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

This is anecdotal, but my daily driver Dell E6540 is closing in on 10 years old now. One nice thing about this Dell is that it is very easy to replace the battery, unlike all modern Apple laptops. My wife had a Macbook of around the same vintage, but when the battery went it was too difficult to replace and we had to buy a new laptop instead.

Apple themselves offer a battery replacement service for a fee, and it seems to be a reasonable fixed price (where I live). You might still be able to get them to upgrade that Macbook's battery.

Don't use an Apple Reseller for this without checking Apple's battery replacement price first. The reseller I went to quoted 2.5x the price, and said they were unaware of Apple's price (seems unlikely), which they could not match.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by throwaway689236 » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 1:24 AM UTC

Prices are high, but it's so hard to find something better than M macs right now, so until there's a competition, I'll be considering macs.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by CryptoBanker » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 2:29 AM UTC

avianlyric wrote: post #833

_gabe_ wrote: post #307

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> This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. 4GB of RAM.[0] It's the stupid websites that require GB of RAM to display a couple pieces of written text and the hundreds of MB of JS that tally up to the additional 28GB you may be thinking of. Oh and all the electron apps which add additional browser requirements where there shouldn't be any. I guess Mac OS is somehow exempt from this particular…

> I guess Mac OS is somehow exempt from this particular fault though MacOS isn’t, but Apple Silicon laptops sort of are. Seems the onboard flash and flash controller integrated into M1 and M2 chips are fast enough that disk paging doesn’t impact performance for most day-to-day task. I’ve personally been very surprised at how much performance Apple have squeezed out of 8GB of RAM, it’s certainly far more than I was ac…

Truly, my M1 Air runs rings around my 16 inch i9 work laptop in day to day use

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by avidphantasm » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 10:46 AM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #841

avidphantasm wrote: post #29

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And I’ve actually considered upgrading to an M2 Max as I kind of regret only getting 32 GB of RAM in the M1 Pro. However, the trade-in price from Apple is too low.

Apple trade in values are always low. Look around for other options or consider selling directly to someone.

Yeah, if I had an older machine I would. The advantage of a direct trade is no downtime. Apple trades have worked well enough for me in the past, but I wouldn’t benefit from the new machine enough to take the lower price.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by woobar » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 3:15 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #856

woobar wrote: post #853

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Per capita income for Poles, Italians, Russian, and Germans is higher than median US per capita income. [1] Household income of these four groups is also higher than median household income. [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...

> Per capita income for Poles, Italians, Russian, and Germans is higher than median US per capita income. US per capita income is higher than US median personal income (that’s what happens with concentrated-at-the-top instead of normal distributions.) But you probably mean “mean” rather than “median” since that’s what your source actually provides.

I am not sure you looked at my sources. Direct quotes: "The following median per capita income data..."/"The following median household income data..."

Household income is higher than per capita for all groups.