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I suspect it’s less a complete review and more an interview of the senior technical manager, to get a sense of whether they are up to par. Do they think about observability, alerting, refactoring, service architecture, etc. reasonably well? Are there issues with how they motivate their teams or when they give them responsibilities? Are timelines challenging but doable? “Code” is most likely “architecture” and “archit…

I'm pretty sure Twitter software engineers are considered more elite than Tesla engineers in the Valley.

Why is that. At first glance the tesla engineering problems seem far more complex no?

I get twitter has some issues of scale to solve, but its tweets, even netflix would be far more challenging imo.

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I dunno why any Twitter engineers would be really trying that hard right now. Passively destroying Twitter from within by not trying, and trying to make a billionare lose 44 billion dollars is a significantly more fun and interesting challenge than making Twitter a better product.

If these numbers are right and they're laying off 50% the workforce, half of me wonders how much Parag could raise to build a new Twitter from scratch and just hire 500 - 1000 talented folks off the street for the venture, I mean if Travis K could raise almost a billion for his shitty ghost kitchen venture I'd have to think they could get enough runway to get something launched pretty quickly. There's so many "What w…

As if Parag was ever anything else than a bland status quo CEO. The ghoulish neolib heroes have no potential to take real positive action.

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Musk has extraordinary capability of extracting every bit of potential a person can deliver. Either you work crazy at your 200% or you are worthless and the company is not for you. Twitter will see lots of layoffs, massive restructuring - some unknown people being promoted for top roles, but end result will be better financial. I am not sure Twitter will remain the same as it is. Lots of people think Elon is not good…

To be fair, in the time he created a company that pushed electrical vehicles to be mainstream, and made reusable rockets a possibility and not just a dream which is helping push mankind to again explore space what exactly has Twitter accomplished?

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I utterly fail to understand how this would yield anything other than. Ooh they use tabs here rather than spaces! And that experimental code over there contains an unused variable! This A/B testing pipeline has minimal test cases! They ship in a day without a Q/A pipeline. All of the above would happen if any company were acquired by any other. The code style will be different, and the dev practices will be different…

But if you're part of a fast-shipping culture, your habits are a problem. FWIW, also I'd add to your list telemetry such as asserts, and concision and documentation.

Why? One of the production goals of software is to minimize inventory time. Software that is written and not shipped incurs capex without revenue, unlike tech debt - I can put an explicit number on this cost. Similarly, software that goes unshipped also does not get customer feedback. It may be worthless.

There’s a balance here - but it’s not at all obvious what the balance should be in every business.

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Isn't there some violation of fiduciary duty here? IIRC, Musk personally bought Twitter, but he only owns 17% of Telsa. Isn't having Tesla engineers work on his personal project a lot like a middle manager assigning his subordinates to work on a personal side-gig project of his?

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I dunno why any Twitter engineers would be really trying that hard right now. Passively destroying Twitter from within by not trying, and trying to make a billionare lose 44 billion dollars is a significantly more fun and interesting challenge than making Twitter a better product.

Comments like this makes me lose faith i humanity. If I were a engineer at Twitter, I'd do my absolute best up to the minute I have to leave the premises. Because I would care about the company, my colleagues and most importantly for the >200m people who use Twitter for fun, educational, business and those who depend on it. But it's probably because I'm an old beard, who value being honest and ethical, to be the bett…

> Comments like this makes me lose faith i humanity.

> If I were a engineer at Twitter, I'd do my absolute best up to the minute I have to leave the premises. Because I would care about the company, my colleagues and most importantly for the >200m people who use Twitter for fun, educational, business and those who depend on it.

> But it's probably because I'm an old beard, who value being honest and ethical, to be the better person even if I'm in a room of degenerates.

To be blunt: you're making yourself sound like a sucker who will let people exploit you.

Spend as much energy doing right by your employer as they will spend doing right by you.

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Comments like this makes me lose faith i humanity. If I were a engineer at Twitter, I'd do my absolute best up to the minute I have to leave the premises. Because I would care about the company, my colleagues and most importantly for the >200m people who use Twitter for fun, educational, business and those who depend on it. But it's probably because I'm an old beard, who value being honest and ethical, to be the bett…

> Comments like this makes me lose faith i humanity. > If I were a engineer at Twitter, I'd do my absolute best up to the minute I have to leave the premises. Because I would care about the company, my colleagues and most importantly for the >200m people who use Twitter for fun, educational, business and those who depend on it. > But it's probably because I'm an old beard, who value being honest and ethical, to be th…

> To be blunt: you're making yourself sound like a sucker who will let people exploit you.

That's not really what it sounds like at all to me. A more apt analogy might be OP wanting to help all the passengers off the sinking ship before jumping off themselves. While you could just abandon the ship and assume everyone else knows how to get off without assistance, reality shows that many people still need that helping hand.

I don't think OP is letting anyone exploit them. OP just wants to help people, which I think is quite admirable.

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As much as I dont like Elon, I wonder how much of them quit since they couldn't answer those questions. Probably I will get tons of downvotes, but there is this strange myth here (and on reddit) that there are no incompetent programmers. When in reality there are tons of incompetent programmers, just like there are incompetent people in any other job.

Competence is not measured by one's ability to drop a leetcode solution on command. It is tempting to think otherwise if you have spent effort cultivating that ability. But anyone with better things to do would be justified to read it as an insult.

Right, so it seems (if the news are to be believed) that Elon Musk updated his strategy and asked his new underlings to bring their own code for review...

Of course, somehow according to sentiment here this updated process is still considered an insult...

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what a waste of everyone's time. as a manager, I can tell you that even my smartest engineers go through highs and lows in their career and there are days when they push out code like there's no tomorrow and days when they don't push out anything because you know there's life outside of work that affects them (their dog passed away or their wife filed for divorce or their daughter is sick and was taken to ER etc). An…

It's especially dumb _after_ buying a company to be acting like the developers are so incompetent across the board that they could be judged on this criteria. Elon just bought all this IP -- now he's going to make extremely rash decisions about who is contributing and who is not based on this very flawed methodology?

He bought the users. Not sure about the IP part.
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