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Post by robertlagrant »

pixl97 wrote: post #980
robertlagrant wrote: post #970

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The main issue is violent acts, not the call for them. Whoever does something violent will not do so with impunity.

See, when you live a privileged and safe life these are some of the lies you believe. You are protected by your position in wealth, race, and maybe location. You're not black, or Jewish, or a unionist, and its all a big surprise when the angry mob does come for you. You yell "this is against the law!" And then only realize the person posting the hateful redeoric online was the officer that should be protecting you. T…

Through the fog of purple prose and judgment based on your assumptions and theories of ethnic classification, you seem to be claiming that the police will protect us from speech but not from violence. I don't see how that could possibly add up.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by hunchle »

hairofadog wrote: post #598
mquander wrote: post #589

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I don't actually use Twitter, so I don't really have specific examples of huge Twitter accounts tweeting nasty things? I am just thinking of what's clearly considered normal among my peers. For example, here is a random thing I find if I Google "mean tweets about donald trump": https://twitter.com/dadsaysjokes/status/1062806755229474824?... > What's the difference between Donald Trump and a worm? One of them is a sli…

The notable difference is that one insult is criticizing behavior , while the other is criticizing the person for their core identity (and no, I don't count political affiliation as being central to identity). From my perspective it's OK to criticize Trump (or Biden) for their policies and conduct, but I don't think people should fat-shame Trump, for example, or make fun of Biden's occasional stutter. The issue isn't…

> while the other is criticizing the person for their core identity

Can this really be considered a core identity though? When a man such as Levine assumes an identity of a woman, is this not a form of identity fraud?

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by 1123581321 »

jstummbillig wrote: post #869
1123581321 wrote: post #94

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Judge panels (like SCOTUS), county boards, city councils, school boards, non-profit boards and councils, corporate boards.

I am not super familiar with US judicial bodies and what their mandate actually entails, but, in general, what judges do fundamentally revolves around interpreting laws and/or constitutions. Twitter does, of course, also have to comply with law. In regards to this council we are however specifically focusing on an area, that is not already decided by law. Coming up with a decision in a "wildly diverse group" without…

Interesting. In the US councils represent different areas of their city or county, and those areas have different political party leanings as well as different economic and community goals, and that’s what brings the diversity to the governing body. There are cities that are too uniform for this to work well, of course.

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Post by AustinDev »

sangnoir wrote: post #245
AustinDev wrote: post #165

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Unsuspended and Kanye's happened before he got there precisely for this framing if I had to guess. Likely a malicious employee.

> Likely a malicious employee. ...or an employee who felt unshackled from the previous management and knew they would have air-support by the time anyone else realized what had happened.

Also possible!

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Post by encryptluks2 »

joshuamorton wrote: post #968
ilyt wrote: post #847

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Twitter have almost 400 million users. It's not "your house" at this point, it's public space.

So at what number of attendees does my house become public space?

Never because you own it and have rights just like the Supreme Court has established that most private businesses has the right to kick people out. If people don't like that then they should petition the government to take over Twitter and make it a utility or government service.

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Post by thelopa »

jl6 wrote: post #679
thelopa wrote: post #608

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I think they’re being glib, but sex absolutely is a social construct. What exactly constitutes THE properties of the female and male sex is defined by society more than biology. For example, people who have androgen insensitivity syndrome develop perfectly normal looking “female” bodies, but their genetic sex is “male”. People generally still consider those individuals to be “female”. If you want to get down to it, a…

> What exactly constitutes THE properties of the female and male sex is defined by society more than biology. This might be true for the incredibly tiny minority of intersex individuals who defy categorization, but for >99.9% of people it’s not true at all, and challenging the meaningfulness of a word based on such rare edge cases is a huge overstatement of how controversial this is.

Intersex conditions being rare or not doesn’t really matter for my argument. There could be literally be just one person with AIS in the history of humanity, and the statement “if you consider this person to be female then your definition of female is based on more than just their sex chromosomes” would still be true.

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Post by thelopa »

rekado wrote: post #874
thelopa wrote: post #608

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I think they’re being glib, but sex absolutely is a social construct. What exactly constitutes THE properties of the female and male sex is defined by society more than biology. For example, people who have androgen insensitivity syndrome develop perfectly normal looking “female” bodies, but their genetic sex is “male”. People generally still consider those individuals to be “female”. If you want to get down to it, a…

I found these articles to be a good overview on this topic --- the change of interpretation between "sex" and "gender", and defining characteristics of "woman" within the context of feminist philosophy: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-gender/ https://aeon.co/essays/do-analytic-and-continental-philosoph...

Thank you! I’ll check them out!

For what it’s worth, I’m a trans woman, and I’m well aware of some of the discourse around this topic already (both positions that are pro- and anti- “trans women are women”). I tried very hard to avoid injecting any of those details into it, though. I wanted to do a “reasoning from first principles” sort of analysis of the idea rather than try to recap the discussions that are happening in feminist spheres.

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Post by freejazz »

such12 wrote: post #828
freejazz wrote: post #753

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"Nobody has ‘thrown out’ the voting rights act. That’s an opinion. Part of it has not been upheld as constitutional." Semantics. "The decision on gerrymandering is real." Yes. It is. "But you seem to be thinking this is evidence of a conspiracy to end democracy rather than just normal bias. Even that piece admits that gerrymandering was invented by the democrats. This is just normal US politics at work." Do you not u…

> Do you not understand the difference between democratic and Democratic? Otherwise, what's the relevance of gerrymandering having been invented by Democrats. That it's a normal part of US politics engaged in by all political parties. > The court upholding it is anti democratic. Is it? If it's a normal part of US politics, that is far from clear. The point is that it's not evidence of a conspiracy to end democracy.

>That it's a normal part of US politics engaged in by all political parties.

Debatable. It's facially anti-democratic. That it's something that can be engaged in a partisan matter doesn't support your argument.

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Post by freejazz »

hedora wrote: post #816
freejazz wrote: post #755

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I meant exactly what I wrote. Feel free to let me know if there is something about it you don't understand.

They did already? There was a court case when the legislatures gave themselves the power to throw out elections. It went to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court ruling lets them throw out elections. Prior attempts by states to do this in 2020 and 2000 failed in court, or led to the winning candidate (Gore) conceding, respectively. The 2020 standards that caused the election results to be upheld no longer apply in…

> They did already?

You seem fairly literate. Why would you ask this?

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by freejazz »

Kiro wrote: post #902
freejazz wrote: post #586

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"You just can't have human moderation at that scale" oh you definitely can. It's just not remotely cost effective and would ruin the bottom line of any tech company.

Naive comment ignoring other obvious problems with human moderation: https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2022-10-20/beh...

I'm not advocating for human moderation so much as pointing out that the profits obtained by these social media organizations that eschew what would be reasonable moderation in any other medium come from their externalization of this cost.
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