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Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by knaik94 »

yarg wrote: post #976
goatlover wrote: post #728

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60+ comments in a single HN thread is common?

I wonder what statistics Dang has on this (though you generate your own with a crawler).

I've been thinking about this after having read https://www.nngroup.com/articles/participation-inequality/ again recently. That research was shared in 2006/9. They didn't quantify a upvote/reward driven website but I suspect hacker news is closer to the blog numbers than the general, so the percentage would be skewed. The closest statistics would be Reddit's, the self selecting "top 1%" subreddit has imposed a minimum of roughly 107000 combined karma/points which is roughly 114k users out of an estimated 52 million daily, 430 million monthly, and 1.5 billion registered total users.

You wouldn't need to crawl for your own dataset, it's available on Google's bigquery https://console.cloud.google.com/marketplace/details/y-combi... and slightly older 2006 to 2017 dataset is available on kaggle for direct download https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/hacker-news/hacker-news .

https://www.karmalb.com/user/rank:114000

https://www.reddit.com/r/top

https://earthweb.com/how-many-people-use-reddit/

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #940
zakk wrote: post #899

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Still, cheating at chess is not murdering someone!

And being banned from competitive chess is not an execution or lengthy imprisonment.

I believe that your position is utterly immoral and cruel. Everyone deserves a path to redemption, and a kid cheating at chess in his childhood does not deserve an eternal punishment for the rest of his life because of it.

Imagine if he is a generational talent and one of the best in the world, are you really ready to deprive him any future just because he did stupid things as a kid?

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by runnerup »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #785
pseudo0 wrote: post #662

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Usain Bolt is another interesting case. Commentators have made a pretty compelling case based on the circumstantial evidence that he was doping, but due to weaknesses in Jamaica's anti-doping program it's likely impossible to prove one way or the other. https://tomnew.medium.com/usain-bolt-lance-armstrong-and-the...

A huge number of (male) athletes across all sports are doping now. Testosterone deficiency is a medical condition, and taking “testosterone replacement therapy” is explicitly allowed by many sports. Even if it’s not allowed, it’s not really possible to robustly test for, because in some forms at least it’s simply increasing the levels of the same hormones that your body is naturally producing. Same goes for human gro…

Is trivially Easy to test for TRT. Taking testosterone shuts off your body’s LH and FSH production and those can be tested. These can be biologically mimicked with hCG and HMG but those don’t chemically show up on LH and FSH tests.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by radiator »

Revery42 wrote: post #421
jdthedisciple wrote: post #174

Magnus isn't trying to be judge, jury and executioner by refusing to play Hans. He has stated before that merely having suspicions (e.g. based on past cheating as in Niemann's case) about your opponent possibly cheating completely ruins one's mentality during a game. He simply wants to avoid going through that, which imo is understandable.

That's understandable, but if that's the case then I believe the most likely scenario is that Magnus has lost legitimately to Niemann twice.

There is no way that this is possible. Niemann's performance has such a wide variance between: - his best days, where he is pressing for victory or easily winning against the very best players in the world (not only Carlsen, but also Aronian, Mamedyarov, Firouzja), and - his bad days, where he plays like an average grandmaster.

Someone who can play as bad as Niemann does on his bad days could never beat Carlsen legitimately in my opinion.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by victor9000 »

TheFattestNinja wrote: post #866
victor9000 wrote: post #853

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There's no smoking gun, but it's so blatantly obvious. Hans has floundered incredibly in postgame analysis after some of his recent wins, saying things like "I don't need to show variations" and "chess speaks for itself". For those who are not familiar, postgame analysis is where a player sits down with a commentator (often a retired GM) and discusses the key positions in the game. This universally involves describin…

The analysis video was weird. But you have to discount that under that 1) he had just lost a winning game, so probably pretty tilted 2) he was already in the eye of the storm about Magnus 3) he might just be a bit of a dick personally. If a position has 1 winning move out of 10, you have 10% to nail it even if you are a bozo. I'd say that as a good player you'd do better than random. So while unlikely he might have j…

I don't really expect folks to keep up with chess drama, but Magnus is not the only player accusing Hans of cheating. A few of his other opponents have also described his play as peculiar. Hans has been recently banned twice from chess.com for cheating, and his current coach has also been caught doing the same.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by jacobsenscott »

fastball wrote: post #824
jacobsenscott wrote: post #337

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As a parent of a now 13 year old - it is not reasonable for a 12 year old to play a for money tournament. 12 year olds may "know right from wrong" in some sense, but they do not have adult brains. Expecting them to make decisions like an adult, or understand "right and wrong" the same way an adult does, is ludicrous. This is equally true of a 19 year old.

Then why should they be able to win money off adults? Classic "have your cake and eat it too". If you want to play in tournaments with adult prizes then you should expect adult consequences for misbehavior.

They shouldn't be able to. But either way, kids don't have adult brains, and there's nothing anyone can do about that. They are physically different. You can't expect a 12 year old to dunk a basketball, and you can't expect a 12 year old to think like an adult.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by o_nate »

fsckboy wrote: post #808
kennyloginz wrote: post #758

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The St. Louis chess club provided more checking / scrutiny than any other OTB tournament I have seen. How would you improve their process? Honestly would love to hear.

the TSA airport x-ray scanners, would they do a nice job of finding devices internal or external?

It seems at a minimum they could go through the same level of security as it takes to board a plane: remove shoes, back-scatter x-ray, etc.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by schnulller »

I dont play chess that much but I think this discussion is somewhat interesting, because all the hobby analysts and human lie detectors come out with things like: look how this guy nervously swallowed, look at this timestamp what is he doing why is he leaning forward and all that stuff. it goes up to the point where even intelligent people will believe that there must have been some device in his shoe, or elsewhere, putting a theory out there as the truth that, now, afterwards, can't be proved, but - more importantly - cant be disproved. That stuff is really dangerous.

It is dangerous, because people who do that know exactly they will not be able to provide evidence for their hypothesis to be true, but the other side won't be able to provide evidence either. So they rely solely on their convincing powers, and persuading others into their own belief system instead applying to reason.

I think, if at all, that all just proves one thing, something that scientists knew all along: if you want your thesis to be true, you will start interpreting reality in a fashion that supports your hypothesis. We don't do science like that for precisely this reason.

After all this, I think Magnus really ridiculed himself with this. His strongest evidence is "he wasn't tense"? Really, though?

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by palmetieri2000 »

walrus01 wrote: post #442
not_kurt_godel wrote: post #375

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> Also, clever cheating devices have been found in over the board chess competitions The most convincing candidate for such a device I've seen is an Illuminati Thumper Pro hidden in Hans's shoe: https://illuminati-magic.com/products/thumper . If you watch the footage of him getting scanned before his match with Alireza (and, crucially, before Magnus announced he was dropping), there are a couple of subtle things that…

You don't need something that transmits if you're searching for bug-like devices or any general integrated circuits with a nonlinear junction detector: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_junction_detector I am very far removed from anything related to Chess, but if they want to get serious about this they should hire people who specialize in the federal-contracting adjacent field of TSCM (technical surveillance…

>I also think that people putting a lot of focus into shoes or other clothing articles underestimate the motivation and capability of people to use the traditional "prison wallet" method of concealing things.

I felt silly for even thinking this, but seeing as you've mentioned it. It would be so hilarious if true considering he has offered to play naked[1] to prove his innocence!

1. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-07/rising-chess-star-off...

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