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Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Post by galaxyLogic »

Ekaros wrote: post #849
okaram wrote: post #781

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We already automate things and amplify somewhat the power of a teacher... We've been trying computer stuff for decades (and books before). You still need tons of teachers.

Also, what are books if not "automated" method of teaching...

There is also learning by teaching :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_by_teaching

Having been thorough some schools I think the biggest impediment was that teachers didn't really get what I didn't get, my mis-conceptions.

A recent student might be able to better understand what the obstacles in leaning might be since they have been through it themselves.

The idea of Learning-By-Teaching seems to be that students learn better when they try to express the subject matter so clearly that others can understand it too. But it might also compsensate for the lack of teachers, that students can be teachers to other students.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Post by balderdash »

danaris wrote: post #947
balderdash wrote: post #492

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If the general population were numerate enough, and there was enough transparency, there were would be riots in the streets over the NPV of retirement packages for public sector employees, these people are getting packages that are worth $2m,$5m,$10m at retirement (which could be 50ish!)

So...you're suggesting people should riot so they can get that, too , right? Not so they can tear other people down to only get the same pittance they do? The public sector employees getting generous retirement packages are not the enemy . They are not the reason the rest of us are getting pissed on and told it's raining. That's the very wealthy and the politicians they've bought.

Both actually, many public sector employees are grossly overpaid, and private sector employees should get real pay rises/protections.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Post by greedo »

tptacek wrote: post #952
msrenee wrote: post #937

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I know OPS in Omaha doesn't pay crap. Last year's pay schedule started at $43k with a bachelor's, 47k with a master's, and 51k with a doctorate. Maxes at $71,400 with a doctorate. 2022-23 starts at $44k with a bachelor's and maxes at 75k with a doctorate.

I'm not at all surprised if teachers in Nebraska get a shittier deal than teachers in California or Illinois, but if you click around the financials for the DC West school district, teachers in suburban Omaha are routinely making 85k+. These teachers do not have doctorates. Note that the base salary of a teacher is just the floor on their compensation; they make substantial additional money from extracurriculars and…

How do you know what degrees they have?

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Post by lotsofpulp »

horsawlarway wrote: post #959
lotsofpulp wrote: post #946

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>Then you're unable to see that market forces are making it incredibly unattractive to be a teacher. Note that I agree with your statement of teachers not getting sufficient pay relative to quality of life at work. I even think this is true up and down, from daycare to physics high school. I disagree with the chain of reasoning to support this view, however. You cannot derive this conclusion by looking at the price o…

> The point of my initial response to you was that you cannot compare annual tuition for daycare or private high schools and determine which are appropriate prices. Staffing ratios, liability insurance costs, there are a myriad factors that render this line of thinking erroneous. So I guess turn the question on its head - What makes you believe 13k is enough? When the only viable comparisons we have in my area strong…

>What makes you believe 13k is enough? >You've made a claim

I have not made a claim about which cost is "enough" or appropriate. My only claim was that comparing the price for different products/services is not sufficient to conclude whether the price should be raised or lowered.

If anything, I wrote that I agree with your premise:

>Note that I agree with your statement of teachers not getting sufficient pay relative to quality of life at work.

Are current class sizes small enough? Are the teachers for the current classes sufficiently qualified? Can anything be done to increase quality of life for teachers? These are questions that would answer whether or not the cost is sufficient or not.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Post by pnf »

nomaxx117 wrote: post #975
pnf wrote: post #939

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Education programs are the cash cows of universities. They are universally, intentionally subpar compared to the other colleges.

How so? Do schools underfund these programs yet heavily promote them?

They lower their admission and graduation standards. Mark em up, shop em on.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Post by HKH2 »

ggm wrote: post #801
lr4444lr wrote: post #15

I realize this piece is more of a rant, and I won't hold it to a data accuracy standard it never pretended to have, but they pay issue is really misconstrued. Salaries in large urban districts are often well above area median, and when accounting for benefits and pension, quite impressive. In South Dakota and a number of states in the south and rural districts, yes it is another story, and it is bad. Also, teachers N…

It's always been my opinion that market value aside, Kindergarden teachers probably deserve the HIGHEST pay because they lay the foundations, and without sound foundations, the building is unstable. Apologies for extended metaphorical language, but the underlying point is really what I think: Pay the ones at the front the most. They do the groundwork.

No, parents lay the foundations with discipline etc.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Post by seibelj »

ehnto wrote: post #883
seibelj wrote: post #72

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A lot of Western non-US countries honestly don’t have a lot of attractive private sector businesses. Small nations with strong public education are very unique. For example Norway only has 5 million citizens, extremely low immigration, a mono-culture and mono-ethnicity, and earns a huge amount of money from selling fossil fuels which are then funneled to public use. Yet the left in America pretends the Nordic model c…

America is big and diverse, but it is not a special snowflake. You are choosing to provide public schooling but failing to do so well. There is a myriad of reasons why and I am sure it is different per location but the fact remains. In your ideal private focused system, are kids not provided a good education when their parent's income can't keep up with the worsening class divide? If so, do you think that will result…

I want to take the same public dollars that are funneled directly the monopolistic, corrupt, badly run system and instead give the money directly to parents to use as a voucher. If they like their current public school, wonderful, they can give them the voucher. If they want to go someplace else, the money is there for them.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Post by GuardianCaveman »

draebek wrote: post #535
jschveibinz wrote: post #365

I am an early-retired EE and I thought that I could have a second career in teaching HS physics. I got the MA Teaching in Maryland, and did my one year student teaching assignment. My thoughts: 1. The degree program was decent, although a certificate program would be better for prior professionals if the law allowed it (lower cost, too much wasted time in redundant classes). 2. Teachers are sad. Very sad. They are un…

The emphasis on "classroom control" personally doesn't surprise me. If two or three students start refusing a teacher's orders, that teacher is done for the year, and maybe forever at that school. In my middle school, discipline was all but lost in most of my classes. Play cards in class, tell the teacher to shut up. What's she going to do? We stole her phone and keys in first period, locked the doors to the room, an…

This confuses me because at my high school the kids who did anything like this would be sent to the principal's office, then disciplined with on campus supsension or at home suspension, then eventual expulsion where they'd land at the school for bad kids. I never saw the behavior you describe so it sounds like you and your friends / classmates were just absolute horrible people back then.

I like how you wonder how you can educate children without making them resent it like it's the systems fault for creating a boring classroom that therefore made you terrorize some poor teacher when really you were all horrible bullies to the teachers because you chose to be that way.

I hated being in school too but what I did was show up, take notes, go home do homework, repeat until I graduated. I didn't tell the teacher to shut up or play cards or steal stuff or play cruel jokes like you.

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