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Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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>when there truly hasn’t been a better time to be alive ...I liked the 90s a lot better, other than gizmos and means for distraction I can't really imagine why someone would prefer the 2020s.

Infant mortality is down to 5.5 per 1000 from 7.5 in the US. People living in extreme poverty globally is down to 700 million from 1.9 billion. The world today is better than the 90s in many measurable ways.

~50% increase in firearm deaths: https://www.statista.com/statistics/258913/number-of-firearm...

Major increase in pedestrian deaths and general trend away from walking: https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/pedes...

~4x increase in obesity: https://www.americashealthrankings.org/learn/news/obesity-th...

Major decrease in upward mobility through socioeconomic status: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/social-mobility-upwar...

...and a general deterioration of civic institutions, shared culture, and mental health.

Aside from the data, it's subjectively a more fractured and less pleasant country.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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It's not a problem that can be solved at an individual level. Physical drugs are relatively easy to not get into because for the most part, the majority of society doesn't use them and their users are still mostly marginalized. If your current social group are drug addicts it's possible to find a new, healthier group. Digital drugs on the other hand are something that nearly everyone uses and thus you have to use the…

>Physical drugs >majority of society doesn't use Maybe you meant illicit drugs. Almost everyone I know of consumes some type of drug. Your idea seems similar to China's recent policy, restricting access to online games for younger people.

What are your thoughts on that Chinese law? I’m fascinated to see the effects - positive or negative.

I’m torn on it, because it seems incredibly illiberal and suffocating, and I would have despised it as a teen, but it’s the only legislation of its type I’ve seen anywhere in the world. I genuinely believe it’s well intentioned.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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It's not a problem that can be solved at an individual level. Physical drugs are relatively easy to not get into because for the most part, the majority of society doesn't use them and their users are still mostly marginalized. If your current social group are drug addicts it's possible to find a new, healthier group. Digital drugs on the other hand are something that nearly everyone uses and thus you have to use the…

Why are you contributing content to what you consider a disgusting business model? (You do understand that Hacker News is many thousands of times more potent an attention predator than any of the Big Tech ad platforms, right?)

I don’t see how this comment could add value to the discussion. Are you suggesting that we cannot discuss social media and technology addiction on those platforms?

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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I mean, I get it in ways. Boy Scouts has many policies which contrast with the liberal/progressive worldview the members of technology industry tend to hold - explicit religious affiliation, a religiously influenced moral code, gender exclusive, military-esque conduct, etc. For an organization that explicitly advertises itself as a morally driven environment, it's extremely hypocritical for it to have any level of an…

> For an organization that explicitly advertises itself as a morally driven environment, it's extremely hypocritical for it to have any level of an abuse problem (sexual or otherwise). Unfortunately, any category of organization where adults have authority over children will have some level of sexual abuse. Our daughter's fancy--and extremely progressive--private school recently investigated itself and concluded that…

It doesn't sound plausible to me that there has been any point in the last several generations where it was considered "not a big deal" for high school teachers to have relationships with their students. That apparently happened at my high school, once that I know of, during my time there, and it was a very big deal indeed. I can't give you proof that my experience generalizes, but I claim that it does, and that my claim is unremarkable. Whatever you claim the norm was in the 1970s, it clearly didn't survive, which seems fatal to your argument.

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Knock it off. These are children who had no say in what their ancestors did.

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Can you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? We've already had to ask you this and, I'm sad to say, you've posted a ton of such comments. That's not ok here, and we ban such accounts.

I don't want to ban you because your substantive points are interesting and welcome, but this sort of internet attack is not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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As usual GenX gets skipped. But whatever. Apathy is our lot in life.

Where I am from, we don't really use these terms. I'm sorry for offending you by ommiting something.

Ah, I was making a joke. In the US, “Generation X” was told repeatedly from its inception that it was apathetic, specifically.

I also find these terms a bit maddening

Edit: for the record, I was in no way offended, but I realize that probably didn’t come across well in my comment

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Why are you contributing content to what you consider a disgusting business model? (You do understand that Hacker News is many thousands of times more potent an attention predator than any of the Big Tech ad platforms, right?)

I don’t see how this comment could add value to the discussion. Are you suggesting that we cannot discuss social media and technology addiction on those platforms?

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Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Why are you contributing content to what you consider a disgusting business model? (You do understand that Hacker News is many thousands of times more potent an attention predator than any of the Big Tech ad platforms, right?)

I don’t see how this comment could add value to the discussion. Are you suggesting that we cannot discuss social media and technology addiction on those platforms?

Enthusiasm for HN while bemoaning other less addictive social platforms suggests the complaint is more about content or business model or something like that, than attention / engagement / addiction per se.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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That’s a great point and it gave me the epiphany that perhaps being always on/connected, i.e. smart phones combined with everything else is actually the cause of change. You can’t just get up and walk away (obviously you can put your phone down, but then you are cut off!)

And being cut off means you lose potentially life-altering opportunities?

Does it though? It’s like the lottery - you pay a lot for that tiny chance.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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> I'm not denying that those issues all contribute to the problem. > However, teenagers had a terrible, rotten time during WWII - bombs on cites, constant threat of military service, parents and elder brothers killed in war, one's country being invaded, etc. yet on the whole most never suffered these mental health issues. The difference is striking > Somehow, they had stamina and resilience that today's teenagers don…

I don't deny any of that either. These matters are complex and I cannot reasonably argue them here without discussing other factors in detail such as changes in life expectancy over the past century, the more fatalistic approach to life pre-war (big families meant survival insurance, pre-penicillin times meant many more [expected] deaths in childhood, harder times financially, etc. etc. The whole social milieu was di…

>I don't deny any of that either. These matters are complex and I cannot reasonably argue them here without discussing other factors in detail such as changes in life expectancy over the past century, the more fatalistic approach to life pre-war (big families meant survival insurance, pre-penicillin times meant many more [expected] deaths in childhood, harder times financially, etc. etc. The whole social milieu was different.

My grandmas two sisters died before they even reached 16, but I don't know if it was before or after war. Some respiratory system infection. It what just happened to people. Especially if you were poor and lived in rural area.

>Let me say just this: when I was growing up in the 1950s and '60s what I said above wasn't quite 'dead' yet as my childhood was pretty much similar to that—and it was often damn hard times back then (moreover, from where I came from it was so for many of the kids my age, I was no exception). Several weeks ago I gave an account of my own childhood on the HN story Old Enough: the Japanese TV show that abandons toddlers on public transport and there's no doubt that by age six I was an independent agent— that is, walking miles to school across busy roads by myself at that age and so on: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30951723#30953588. We had to be more resilient just to survive—and we were.

When I was in pre-school I had to go by myself to it, but it was a rural area. Forests, farmlands and so. But my friends from city, have similar experience(but with less forests and farmlands, but with more cars, streets and public transport). No one was taking kids to school by car, because parents had to go to work early while kids had to start school at 8am. We survived it. But I was, afraid of shadows kind of child. Sometimes on my way I had panic attacks, but I was alone and either I could go back home(not an option) or continue on my way to school. So I went to school every day.

>The fact is I'm old enough to have witnessed these changes firsthand. Leaving aside the reasons (which, no doubt, will be argued about for years to come), there is no doubt that mental health issues among the young have increased substantially in recent decades.

>Edit: Incidentally, during my teenage years I cannot ever recall any mention of childhood or teenage suicide. No doubt it happened, but even the concept thereof would have been anathema to us kids back then.

If you weren't part of family or right circle of friends you just didn't learn about stuff like that. There were negative consequences of other people knowing if someone committed suicide, was mentally ill, was gay. My grandfather committed suicide, but I only learned about it in my thirties and someone accidentally mentioned it. I was part of family and still didn't know about it. Back then Catholic church had problems with burying suicide victims on consecrated cemetery.

What I'm also afraid of, is possibility that with all the chemicals that finds its way into drinking water, we might poison ourselfs and our children literally out of our minds. I should learn more it, but I'm afraid it might be too late to do anything about it.

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