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Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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Don't like it? Join the fediverse! https://jointhefedi.com/

Looking at the homepage, here are the 5 servers that are advertised as (I assume) the biggest:

> Politically incorrect (i.e. chan culture)

> Gender-critical (i.e. transphobia)

> Shitposter club (advertised as loosely moderated)

> Free speech extremist (not moderated)

> (Along with a meta server about new features for the platform itself)

Without judgement from the content of those spaces, I would argue that those are the exact kind of culture and content that people are worried will become rampant on Twitter. If someone doesn't like what Musk is hinting towards, this is the last space they would be interested in joining.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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Ways I think Twitter could immediately improve, from the perspective of users: - Optional verification check marks for anyone who wants them. Throw out the Blue Check status symbol. Offer "real person" twitter filter. - Transparent and consistent moderation policies. Bans are inconsistently applied for reasons that are often hard to figure out. - Return to a reverse chronological time and/or down selection of rage-ba…

If you have twitter cards set up on your domain, and link that domain in your profile, that should be all the verification required. You're paying the domain and you are legitimately representing it. If they go the full KYC route, I'll stop using them in a heartbeat.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#984

I think this represents an event horizon for both Twitter and social media, beyond which it is a little more difficult than usual to make accurate predictions. We know Musk wants a less moderated Twitter (less censored, depending on your point of view). But it's hard to think that all the changes would stop there. I can't imagine Musk just opening the door on content and then... Stagnation. But what else would he cha…

is it though? (an event horizon)

the play is really simple: restore the orange clown account. get more subsidies in case the orange clown gets re-elected.

that’s it. can make a big show out if it and we can build more shrines to Musk (yuck) but at the end of the day nobody pays 69 billion dollars out of pure thoughts on free sp33ch.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#985

I think this represents an event horizon for both Twitter and social media, beyond which it is a little more difficult than usual to make accurate predictions. We know Musk wants a less moderated Twitter (less censored, depending on your point of view). But it's hard to think that all the changes would stop there. I can't imagine Musk just opening the door on content and then... Stagnation. But what else would he cha…

> We know Musk wants a less moderated Twitter (less censored, depending on your point of view).

No, we don't.

We know that Musk says this, and we can probably reasonably conclude that he wants a differently moderated Twitter, but neither his past actions, his use of congressional Republicans (and their willingness to do the job) as bad cop to pressure the board, nor anything else other than his own PR supports that Musk has any particular devotion to the idea that private actors should not do everything in their power to constrain others speech.

> Twitter is open, some other places are more of a walled garden, users choose what they want.

Musk's specifically stated plans include making Twitter more of a walled garden, pushing people harder to paid accounts and using paid account status of the originator as a stronger signal in content distribution. Looser content policies, even if that is what actually happens, aren't opposed to being a walled garden.

> It's difficult to argue that Big Social Media (BSM™) is stifling free speech, or has a collective monopoly (or Cartel), and therefore needs to be regulated or broken up.

Au contraire, it's must easier to argue that your preferred approach is reasonable, viable, and should be mandatory if someone is already doing it and you can vilify those not doing.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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post #631

Ways I think Twitter could immediately improve, from the perspective of users: - Optional verification check marks for anyone who wants them. Throw out the Blue Check status symbol. Offer "real person" twitter filter. - Transparent and consistent moderation policies. Bans are inconsistently applied for reasons that are often hard to figure out. - Return to a reverse chronological time and/or down selection of rage-ba…

> Optional verification check marks for anyone who wants them. Throw out the Blue Check status symbol Those are not mutually exclusive. I may be interested to know that @emmanuelmacron and @emmanuel_macron are both real persons but I’d also want to know that @emmanuelmacron is the famous one while the other is just an homonyme. Blue Check symbols are also a lot useful to distinguish real brand accounts from fake ones…

Moderation is not easy, but it's not that hard either. Actually, it has already been figured out. It's partly what the legal system is about. We also know a few online forums that work just great (or, you could say well enough). This includes HN, but it's not the only one. I happen to moderate a few rather large FB groups (about 50k people in 3 groups). Now while they are not too active, it's pretty obvious what works. And yes, one of them is transparency. Just as with the legal system.

And this is one of the things that are broken on the large social media platforms. I mostly use FB, so that's what I know about. But what they do is so ridiculous, that I started to collect their decisions. I've been banned for a week for calling a politician, a public figure (with 50k followers) "braindead" in response to a really stupid comment he made publicly under news article. (That's all I said. It's a widely used expression in Hungarian for saying that someone is an idiot. It's the exact same term as the medical one for someone being in the state of brain death. Not exactly a nice thing to say someone but not over the top either.)

He used his public profile (not his personal one, but the FB page). I got blocked 20 minutes after making the comment for harassment . Their policy explicitly says that public figures should accept more than ordinary people. And this is what the law says as well. At the same time I keep reporting people making homophobic, racist comments or simply just being flat out rude, using obscene remarks (addressing me or others) and they almost always get rejected after 3 days.

But since transparency is non-existent, no one really knows what's acceptable and what's not, what the consequences are (it seems that the penalties get longer and longer, doesn't matter how serious the violation is, but there might be an expiration, so maybe only the last year counts).

At the same time what I found to be working (which is the same I see here) is that instead of deleting, which is inefficient for a lot of reasons, you should issue warnings, explaining what is not OK with the comment. This seems inefficient at first, but it works because it adds transparency and helps everyone understand and internalize the rules. It also helps people to calm down because they'll see that if others misbehave they won't get away with it either.

But yes, algorithms don't work (yet), especially not in non-English languages. Underpaid, invisible, who-knows-whos might be cheap, but they don't cut it either.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#987
post #631

Ways I think Twitter could immediately improve, from the perspective of users: - Optional verification check marks for anyone who wants them. Throw out the Blue Check status symbol. Offer "real person" twitter filter. - Transparent and consistent moderation policies. Bans are inconsistently applied for reasons that are often hard to figure out. - Return to a reverse chronological time and/or down selection of rage-ba…

Blue checkmarks aren't about verification: they are a marketing tool used by the ad sales team. They give out just enough to famous celebrities to make them prestigious & then use giving them out to get into the room with people who buy ads.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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post #631

Ways I think Twitter could immediately improve, from the perspective of users: - Optional verification check marks for anyone who wants them. Throw out the Blue Check status symbol. Offer "real person" twitter filter. - Transparent and consistent moderation policies. Bans are inconsistently applied for reasons that are often hard to figure out. - Return to a reverse chronological time and/or down selection of rage-ba…

- Down voting button, this allows people to express disagreement without feeding the trolls and deranging the conversation. - More visibility to smaller tweeters. My feed is full of boring/dumb comments from "big tweeters" that get thousands of likes because of their large number of followers. Smart tweets from upstarts often get little to no viewings.

1) Twitter already has a downvote button, though it's still in testing so it's not available all the time.

2) I think this one is just a reflection of how you use Twitter. Besides people in my niche community, most of my timeline is random viral tweets from accounts with <100k followers.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#989

Am I the only person here that finds Twitter a nice place? I'm careful about who I follow, most of whom are tech people or educators. My feed is a really nice place to go, and I can't remember the last time I read or saw anything that triggered me in the slightest. I'm seeing loads of comments about how toxic Twitter is, but isn't that on you? Don't follow or engage and the algorithm will skip you over.

> Am I the only person here that finds Twitter a nice place?

I sure read a lot more junk here on HN than I do on my twitter feed, mostly because I have a lot more control on what comes my way there. However, keep in mind that by having such control, one is very prone to ending up in an echo chamber whereas on HN, I learn to think differently once in a while because of someone who disagrees with me and puts up a civilized response.

I'd like to have both environments. Each have their pros and cons.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#990

All this drama but I really feel this is a huge waste of time, energy and money for Mr Musk. Seriously we all know Twitter will continue to be a cess pool of human thought in the name of free speech. I think the only feature we need online is ramifications for being an asshole on the internet other than just being 'banned'.

> All this drama but I really feel this is a huge waste of time, energy and money for Mr Musk.

Musk has talked on number of occasions, about how he shares his time between his various companies. I'm sure in a few months, we'll hear someone ask in an interview, how much time he spends on Twitter. I'd wager single digit percent. That's how much time he seems to spends on all of non Tesla and SpaceX combined (e.g. Neuralink, Boring company, etc.).

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